Belly up to the bar, guys, and let me buy a round while I tell my
tale.

I recently built a custom around an 80" evo. The day I took all my
info to the BMV to get the title paperwork started I took the bike to
fill the tank for the first time.

I pulled out of the station and within a quarter mile the motor
faltered, backfired, and died. The gauges also died. Fuel streamed
out of the carb overflow tube. Luckily, no fire.

I pushed it home (about a half mile) and put it on the lift. The carb
came off and I found a sludge in the bowl. The gas tank was drained
and the gas filtered, the bowl taken off the carb and the insides
cleaned.

I hope that part is done....I haven't gotten it off of the lift
because of the electrical problem.

I found a broken wire going to the key switch, and a second partially
broken. Both were replaced. Turning the key to the first position
turns on the head and tail lights. Turning it to the start position
now turns on the gauges (a dakota digital) and then trips the breaker
after a second or so, losing the gauges as well. Flipping the run
switch to 'off' and turning the key doesn't trip the breaker and the
gauges stay on.

I have narrowed down the short to involving the ignition circuit. The
wiring is through the frame and bars.

I don't see any obvious wire breaks or exposure.

My question is, what is the next step. Should I replace the starter
relay, or am I doomed to pulling all those wires out of the bars and
frame? Any suggestions?

Thanks for reading a long post!

Ken

Wrench wrote:
> Belly up to the bar, guys, and let me buy a round while I tell my
> tale.
>
> I recently built a custom around an 80" evo. The day I took all my
> info to the BMV to get the title paperwork started I took the bike to
> fill the tank for the first time.
>
> I pulled out of the station and within a quarter mile the motor
> faltered, backfired, and died. The gauges also died. Fuel streamed
> out of the carb overflow tube. Luckily, no fire.
>
> I pushed it home (about a half mile) and put it on the lift. The carb
> came off and I found a sludge in the bowl. The gas tank was drained
> and the gas filtered, the bowl taken off the carb and the insides
> cleaned.
>
> I hope that part is done....I haven't gotten it off of the lift
> because of the electrical problem.
>
> I found a broken wire going to the key switch, and a second partially
> broken. Both were replaced. Turning the key to the first position
> turns on the head and tail lights. Turning it to the start position
> now turns on the gauges (a dakota digital) and then trips the breaker
> after a second or so, losing the gauges as well. Flipping the run
> switch to 'off' and turning the key doesn't trip the breaker and the
> gauges stay on.
>
> I have narrowed down the short to involving the ignition circuit. The
> wiring is through the frame and bars.
>
> I don't see any obvious wire breaks or exposure.
>
> My question is, what is the next step. Should I replace the starter
> relay, or am I doomed to pulling all those wires out of the bars and
> frame? Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks for reading a long post!
>
> Ken

Since you've got a circuit breaker installed......turn the thing on, let the
breaker set and reset over and over (hope no smoke gets out).

take a compass.....yep......the shows north kind.....

run the compass along where the wiring is.......you'll see the needle swing
round and round each time the breaker trips/resets (magnetic field collapsing).

when the needle STOPS swinging around......you've gone PASSED where the short is
located.

So ya should be able to narrow down a short to within and inch or two....used to
work pretty damn trick when I used that trick tracing shorts/opens in electrical
systems in cars/trucks.

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:41:13 -0400, Wrench <kbyerly@indy.rr.com>
wrote:

>Belly up to the bar, guys, and let me buy a round while I tell my
>tale.
>
>I recently built a custom around an 80" evo. The day I took all my
>info to the BMV to get the title paperwork started I took the bike to
>fill the tank for the first time.
>
>I pulled out of the station and within a quarter mile the motor
>faltered, backfired, and died. The gauges also died. Fuel streamed
>out of the carb overflow tube. Luckily, no fire.
>
>I pushed it home (about a half mile) and put it on the lift. The carb
>came off and I found a sludge in the bowl. The gas tank was drained
>and the gas filtered, the bowl taken off the carb and the insides
>cleaned.
>
>I hope that part is done....I haven't gotten it off of the lift
>because of the electrical problem.
>
>I found a broken wire going to the key switch, and a second partially
>broken. Both were replaced. Turning the key to the first position
>turns on the head and tail lights. Turning it to the start position
>now turns on the gauges (a dakota digital) and then trips the breaker
>after a second or so, losing the gauges as well. Flipping the run
>switch to 'off' and turning the key doesn't trip the breaker and the
>gauges stay on.
>
>I have narrowed down the short to involving the ignition circuit. The
>wiring is through the frame and bars.
>
>I don't see any obvious wire breaks or exposure.
>
>My question is, what is the next step. Should I replace the starter
>relay, or am I doomed to pulling all those wires out of the bars and
>frame? Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks for reading a long post!
>
>Ken

I have posted a pic of my bike on the binary site if any would like to
see.

Ken

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:48:48 -0700, Steve Irving
<sdirv@nospamqwest.net> wrote:

>Wrench wrote:
>> Belly up to the bar, guys, and let me buy a round while I tell my
>> tale.
>>
>> I recently built a custom around an 80" evo. The day I took all my
>> info to the BMV to get the title paperwork started I took the bike to
>> fill the tank for the first time.
>>
>> I pulled out of the station and within a quarter mile the motor
>> faltered, backfired, and died. The gauges also died. Fuel streamed
>> out of the carb overflow tube. Luckily, no fire.
>>
>> I pushed it home (about a half mile) and put it on the lift. The carb
>> came off and I found a sludge in the bowl. The gas tank was drained
>> and the gas filtered, the bowl taken off the carb and the insides
>> cleaned.
>>
>> I hope that part is done....I haven't gotten it off of the lift
>> because of the electrical problem.
>>
>> I found a broken wire going to the key switch, and a second partially
>> broken. Both were replaced. Turning the key to the first position
>> turns on the head and tail lights. Turning it to the start position
>> now turns on the gauges (a dakota digital) and then trips the breaker
>> after a second or so, losing the gauges as well. Flipping the run
>> switch to 'off' and turning the key doesn't trip the breaker and the
>> gauges stay on.
>>
>> I have narrowed down the short to involving the ignition circuit. The
>> wiring is through the frame and bars.
>>
>> I don't see any obvious wire breaks or exposure.
>>
>> My question is, what is the next step. Should I replace the starter
>> relay, or am I doomed to pulling all those wires out of the bars and
>> frame? Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks for reading a long post!
>>
>> Ken
>
>Since you've got a circuit breaker installed......turn the thing on, let the
>breaker set and reset over and over (hope no smoke gets out).
>
>take a compass.....yep......the shows north kind.....
>
>run the compass along where the wiring is.......you'll see the needle swing
>round and round each time the breaker trips/resets (magnetic field collapsing).
>
>when the needle STOPS swinging around......you've gone PASSED where the short is
>located.
>
>So ya should be able to narrow down a short to within and inch or two....used to
>work pretty damn trick when I used that trick tracing shorts/opens in electrical
>systems in cars/trucks.

Heh, got me an $80 Snap-on tool to do that. Found it hooked into some
guys under-hood fuse box. Asked was it his and upon a negative reply
it went into my box. I love it.
--
Old Crow
'82 FLTC(P)'Pearl'
'87 FLTC '?'
'61 F-100
BS#132, TOMKAT, SENS, SLOB#13
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Steve Irving wrote:
snip
> Since you've got a circuit breaker installed......turn the thing on, let the
> breaker set and reset over and over (hope no smoke gets out).
>
> take a compass.....yep......the shows north kind.....
>
> run the compass along where the wiring is.......you'll see the needle swing
> round and round each time the breaker trips/resets (magnetic field collapsing).
>
> when the needle STOPS swinging around......you've gone PASSED where the short is
> located.
>
> So ya should be able to narrow down a short to within and inch or two....used to
> work pretty damn trick when I used that trick tracing shorts/opens in electrical
> systems in cars/trucks.

I've been hanging around in this group off and on for years and that is
without a doubt the single most useful wiring tip I've ever seen here.
--
spunky hussein SimpleEasyAndEffective tuna

Old Crow wrote:

>> So ya should be able to narrow down a short to within and inch or two....used to
>> work pretty damn trick when I used that trick tracing shorts/opens in electrical
>> systems in cars/trucks.
>
> Heh, got me an $80 Snap-on tool to do that. Found it hooked into some
> guys under-hood fuse box. Asked was it his and upon a negative reply
> it went into my box. I love it.

I learned that "trick" in a GM service school back in the mid 80's....

spunky hussein tuna wrote:
> Steve Irving wrote:
> snip
>> Since you've got a circuit breaker installed......turn the thing on,
>> let the
>> breaker set and reset over and over (hope no smoke gets out).
>>
>> take a compass.....yep......the shows north kind.....
>>
>> run the compass along where the wiring is.......you'll see the needle
>> swing
>> round and round each time the breaker trips/resets (magnetic field
>> collapsing).
>>
>> when the needle STOPS swinging around......you've gone PASSED where
>> the short is
>> located.
>>
>> So ya should be able to narrow down a short to within and inch or
>> two....used to
>> work pretty damn trick when I used that trick tracing shorts/opens in
>> electrical
>> systems in cars/trucks.
>
> I've been hanging around in this group off and on for years and that is
> without a doubt the single most useful wiring tip I've ever seen here.
> --
> spunky hussein SimpleEasyAndEffective tuna

Not bad for a liberal dumbass huh??????

Steve Irving wrote:
> spunky hussein tuna wrote:
>> Steve Irving wrote:
>> snip
>>> Since you've got a circuit breaker installed......turn the thing on,
>>> let the
>>> breaker set and reset over and over (hope no smoke gets out).
>>>
>>> take a compass.....yep......the shows north kind.....
>>>
>>> run the compass along where the wiring is.......you'll see the needle
>>> swing
>>> round and round each time the breaker trips/resets (magnetic field
>>> collapsing).
>>>
>>> when the needle STOPS swinging around......you've gone PASSED where
>>> the short is
>>> located.
>>>
>>> So ya should be able to narrow down a short to within and inch or
>>> two....used to
>>> work pretty damn trick when I used that trick tracing shorts/opens in
>>> electrical
>>> systems in cars/trucks.
>> I've been hanging around in this group off and on for years and that is
>> without a doubt the single most useful wiring tip I've ever seen here.
>> --
>> spunky hussein SimpleEasyAndEffective tuna
>
> Not bad for a liberal dumbass huh??????

Not bad for a Muslim-voting, troops-hating, liberal dumbass.
--
spunky hussein FromOneToAnotherOne tuna

"spunky hussein tuna" <spunkyhusseintuna@earthlink.net>
wrote in message
news:85CdndWx-O8WvjXVnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> Steve Irving wrote:
> snip
>> Since you've got a circuit breaker installed......turn
>> the thing on, let the
>> breaker set and reset over and over (hope no smoke gets
>> out).
>>
>> take a compass.....yep......the shows north kind.....
>>
>> run the compass along where the wiring is.......you'll
>> see the needle swing
>> round and round each time the breaker trips/resets
>> (magnetic field collapsing).
>>
>> when the needle STOPS swinging around......you've gone
>> PASSED where the short is
>> located.
>>
>> So ya should be able to narrow down a short to within and
>> inch or two....used to
>> work pretty damn trick when I used that trick tracing
>> shorts/opens in electrical
>> systems in cars/trucks.
>
> I've been hanging around in this group off and on for
> years and that is without a doubt the single most useful
> wiring tip I've ever seen here.
> --
> spunky hussein SimpleEasyAndEffective tuna

same here... very useful..

please give the house a few rounds ...
--
'Key
=====

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:48:48 -0700, Steve Irving
<sdirv@nospamqwest.net> wrote:

>Wrench wrote:
>> Belly up to the bar, guys, and let me buy a round while I tell my
>> tale.
>>
>> I recently built a custom around an 80" evo. The day I took all my
>> info to the BMV to get the title paperwork started I took the bike to
>> fill the tank for the first time.
>>
>> I pulled out of the station and within a quarter mile the motor
>> faltered, backfired, and died. The gauges also died. Fuel streamed
>> out of the carb overflow tube. Luckily, no fire.
>>
>> I pushed it home (about a half mile) and put it on the lift. The carb
>> came off and I found a sludge in the bowl. The gas tank was drained
>> and the gas filtered, the bowl taken off the carb and the insides
>> cleaned.
>>
>> I hope that part is done....I haven't gotten it off of the lift
>> because of the electrical problem.
>>
>> I found a broken wire going to the key switch, and a second partially
>> broken. Both were replaced. Turning the key to the first position
>> turns on the head and tail lights. Turning it to the start position
>> now turns on the gauges (a dakota digital) and then trips the breaker
>> after a second or so, losing the gauges as well. Flipping the run
>> switch to 'off' and turning the key doesn't trip the breaker and the
>> gauges stay on.
>>
>> I have narrowed down the short to involving the ignition circuit. The
>> wiring is through the frame and bars.
>>
>> I don't see any obvious wire breaks or exposure.
>>
>> My question is, what is the next step. Should I replace the starter
>> relay, or am I doomed to pulling all those wires out of the bars and
>> frame? Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks for reading a long post!
>>
>> Ken
>
>Since you've got a circuit breaker installed......turn the thing on, let the
>breaker set and reset over and over (hope no smoke gets out).
>
>take a compass.....yep......the shows north kind.....
>
>run the compass along where the wiring is.......you'll see the needle swing
>round and round each time the breaker trips/resets (magnetic field collapsing).
>
>when the needle STOPS swinging around......you've gone PASSED where the short is
>located.
>
>So ya should be able to narrow down a short to within and inch or two....used to
>work pretty damn trick when I used that trick tracing shorts/opens in electrical
>systems in cars/trucks.
Thanks for the suggestion. I got a compass and will try it later
today. I'll keep ya posted on what I find.

Ken

On Aug 16, 10:48*pm, Steve Irving <sd...@nospamqwest.net> wrote:

<snipped some>

> Since you've got a circuit breaker installed......turn the thing on, let the
> breaker set and reset over and over (hope no smoke gets out).
>
> take a compass.....yep......the shows north kind.....
>
> run the compass along where the wiring is.......you'll see the needle swing
> round and round each time the breaker trips/resets (magnetic field collapsing).
>
> when the needle STOPS swinging around......you've gone PASSED where the short is
> located.
>
> So ya should be able to narrow down a short to within and inch or two....used to
> work pretty damn trick when I used that trick tracing shorts/opens in electrical
> systems in cars/trucks.


A round on me to the bar, Shirley!

I got to wondrin' about one aspect of what sounds like a neat
diagnostic tool, the compass: Wrench described his tryin' to find a
ground somewhere inside his through-the-frame and through-the-
handlebar, I think, ignition circuit wire, probably about 16-gauge.
Won't it being shielded inside of a STEEL PIPE, perhaps have some
bearing on the detectability of the fault's location? I mean, I
understand the principle, and that it would work in the vicinity of a
plastic-wrapped wiring harness, but through-the-frame might have some
effect. I guess we'll find out when Wrench reports!
Thanks,
--Sarge, SENS

Sarge wrote:
> On Aug 16, 10:48 pm, Steve Irving <sd...@nospamqwest.net> wrote:
>
> <snipped some>
>
>> Since you've got a circuit breaker installed......turn the thing on, let the
>> breaker set and reset over and over (hope no smoke gets out).
>>
>> take a compass.....yep......the shows north kind.....
>>
>> run the compass along where the wiring is.......you'll see the needle swing
>> round and round each time the breaker trips/resets (magnetic field collapsing).
>>
>> when the needle STOPS swinging around......you've gone PASSED where the short is
>> located.
>>
>> So ya should be able to narrow down a short to within and inch or two....used to
>> work pretty damn trick when I used that trick tracing shorts/opens in electrical
>> systems in cars/trucks.
>
>
> A round on me to the bar, Shirley!
>
> I got to wondrin' about one aspect of what sounds like a neat
> diagnostic tool, the compass: Wrench described his tryin' to find a
> ground somewhere inside his through-the-frame and through-the-
> handlebar, I think, ignition circuit wire, probably about 16-gauge.
> Won't it being shielded inside of a STEEL PIPE, perhaps have some
> bearing on the detectability of the fault's location? I mean, I
> understand the principle, and that it would work in the vicinity of a
> plastic-wrapped wiring harness, but through-the-frame might have some
> effect. I guess we'll find out when Wrench reports!
> Thanks,
> --Sarge, SENS
>

Always worked pretty good looking for stuff inside vehicle bodies, kick panels,
frames......lotta wiring on big trucks is inside square tubing, etc.

Worst place I saw wiring fuckups in mid 80's chevy's was under that chrome
looking strip that went along the bottom of the door jambs.....compass seemed to
work well there......

On Aug 19, 12:28*am, Steve Irving <sd...@nospamqwest.net> wrote:
> Eye wrote:

> > Won't it being shielded inside of a STEEL PIPE, perhaps have some
> > bearing on the detectability of the *fault's location? *I mean, I
> > understand the principle, and that it would work in the vicinity of a
> > plastic-wrapped wiring harness, but through-the-frame might have some
> > effect. *I guess we'll find out when Wrench reports!
> > Thanks,
> > --Sarge, SENS

Steve Irving <sd...@nospamqwest.net> wrote:
> Always worked pretty good looking for stuff inside vehicle bodies, kick panels,
> frames......lotta wiring on big trucks is inside square tubing, etc.
>
> Worst place I saw wiring fuckups in mid 80's chevy's was under that chrome
> looking strip that went along the bottom of the door jambs.....compass seemed to
> work well there...

Cool beans!.
--Sarge, Flah.

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:34:09 -0400, kbyerly@indy.rr.com wrote:

>On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:48:48 -0700, Steve Irving
><sdirv@nospamqwest.net> wrote:
>
>>Wrench wrote:
>>> Belly up to the bar, guys, and let me buy a round while I tell my
>>> tale.
>>>
>>> I recently built a custom around an 80" evo. The day I took all my
>>> info to the BMV to get the title paperwork started I took the bike to
>>> fill the tank for the first time.
>>>
>>> I pulled out of the station and within a quarter mile the motor
>>> faltered, backfired, and died. The gauges also died. Fuel streamed
>>> out of the carb overflow tube. Luckily, no fire.
>>>
>>> I pushed it home (about a half mile) and put it on the lift. The carb
>>> came off and I found a sludge in the bowl. The gas tank was drained
>>> and the gas filtered, the bowl taken off the carb and the insides
>>> cleaned.
>>>
>>> I hope that part is done....I haven't gotten it off of the lift
>>> because of the electrical problem.
>>>
>>> I found a broken wire going to the key switch, and a second partially
>>> broken. Both were replaced. Turning the key to the first position
>>> turns on the head and tail lights. Turning it to the start position
>>> now turns on the gauges (a dakota digital) and then trips the breaker
>>> after a second or so, losing the gauges as well. Flipping the run
>>> switch to 'off' and turning the key doesn't trip the breaker and the
>>> gauges stay on.
>>>
>>> I have narrowed down the short to involving the ignition circuit. The
>>> wiring is through the frame and bars.
>>>
>>> I don't see any obvious wire breaks or exposure.
>>>
>>> My question is, what is the next step. Should I replace the starter
>>> relay, or am I doomed to pulling all those wires out of the bars and
>>> frame? Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks for reading a long post!
>>>
>>> Ken
>>
>>Since you've got a circuit breaker installed......turn the thing on, let the
>>breaker set and reset over and over (hope no smoke gets out).
>>
>>take a compass.....yep......the shows north kind.....
>>
>>run the compass along where the wiring is.......you'll see the needle swing
>>round and round each time the breaker trips/resets (magnetic field collapsing).
>>
>>when the needle STOPS swinging around......you've gone PASSED where the short is
>>located.
>>
>>So ya should be able to narrow down a short to within and inch or two....used to
>>work pretty damn trick when I used that trick tracing shorts/opens in electrical
>>systems in cars/trucks.
>Thanks for the suggestion. I got a compass and will try it later
>today. I'll keep ya posted on what I find.
>
>Ken
Another round for the guys, Shirley-

SO I got the compas, slowly ran it along the ignition wiring, allowing
the breaker to trip/reset. Got just passed where the wiring goes into
the handlebars and the needle stopped doing its dance whent he breaker
tripped. Guess that means the short is in there, right?
I was just hoping it wasn't - It was a pain putting the wires through
the first time!
Thanks for the tip. Hope that the fault is there.

Ken

Wrench wrote:

> Another round for the guys, Shirley-
>
> SO I got the compas, slowly ran it along the ignition wiring, allowing
> the breaker to trip/reset. Got just passed where the wiring goes into
> the handlebars and the needle stopped doing its dance whent he breaker
> tripped. Guess that means the short is in there, right?

Yep.......glad it worked for ya. Sarge questioned whether or not the compass
would "See" the magnetic field build/collapse from inside the thick steel of the
handlebars......I though it would, but...ya never know.

> I was just hoping it wasn't - It was a pain putting the wires through
> the first time!

I don't think I've ever found a problem in a nice easy to get to place <sfsf>.


> Thanks for the tip. Hope that the fault is there.
>
> Ken

You betcha......

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:41:13 -0400, Wrench <kbyerly@indy.rr.com>
wrote:

>Belly up to the bar, guys, and let me buy a round while I tell my
>tale.
>
>I recently built a custom around an 80" evo. The day I took all my
>info to the BMV to get the title paperwork started I took the bike to
>fill the tank for the first time.
>
>I pulled out of the station and within a quarter mile the motor
>faltered, backfired, and died. The gauges also died. Fuel streamed
>out of the carb overflow tube. Luckily, no fire.
>
>I pushed it home (about a half mile) and put it on the lift. The carb
>came off and I found a sludge in the bowl. The gas tank was drained
>and the gas filtered, the bowl taken off the carb and the insides
>cleaned.
>
>I hope that part is done....I haven't gotten it off of the lift
>because of the electrical problem.
>
>I found a broken wire going to the key switch, and a second partially
>broken. Both were replaced. Turning the key to the first position
>turns on the head and tail lights. Turning it to the start position
>now turns on the gauges (a dakota digital) and then trips the breaker
>after a second or so, losing the gauges as well. Flipping the run
>switch to 'off' and turning the key doesn't trip the breaker and the
>gauges stay on.
>
>I have narrowed down the short to involving the ignition circuit. The
>wiring is through the frame and bars.
>
>I don't see any obvious wire breaks or exposure.
>
>My question is, what is the next step. Should I replace the starter
>relay, or am I doomed to pulling all those wires out of the bars and
>frame? Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks for reading a long post!
>
>Ken
A drink for all, Shirley -

Well, the afternoon was spent using the compass, pulling the bars off
(looked like it was there according to the compass technique), and
tracing the ignition wires.

I found the short actually in the ignition wire going from the run
switch to the coil, about 3 inches from the coil. It had gotten
caught between parts of the mounting bracket and flattened with the
insulation opened, thus the short only when the run switch was on.

That was a total pain, but now there are two others, although I know
how to fix them.

First, my motorcycle lift's hydraulics leaked and now the lift is
stuck elevated and I won't be able to get the bike off until I can get
lifting help, or figure how to release the safety catches. It is a
Sears lift. Looks like it needs a new piston.

The second is there was a brown sludge in the gas line, and in the
carb. Cleaned the carb and lines, filtered the gas, put it all back
together, and got NO FLOW through the lines. Drained the tank again,
pulled the petcock and found that somehow the filter was off of it.
Found it on one of the benches. I wonder what bozo put the petcock in
without the filter........(guess it was me since I built the darned
thing...how could that have happened!?)

I put a followup pick on the other newsgroup.

Thanks for the help!

Ken

On Aug 20, 5:46*pm, Wrench <kbye...@indy.rr.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:41:13 -0400, Wrench <kbye...@indy.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Belly up to the bar, guys, and let me buy a round while I tell my
> >tale.
>
> >I recently built a custom around an 80" evo. *The day I took all my
> >info to the BMV to get the title paperwork started I took the bike to
> >fill the tank for the first time.
>
> >I pulled out of the station and within a quarter mile the motor
> >faltered, backfired, and died. *The gauges also died. *Fuel streamed
> >out of the carb overflow tube. *Luckily, no fire.
>
> >I pushed it home (about a half mile) and put it on the lift. *The carb
> >came off and I found a sludge in the bowl. *The gas tank was drained
> >and the gas filtered, the bowl taken off the carb and the insides
> >cleaned.
>
> >I hope that part is done....I haven't gotten it off of the lift
> >because of the electrical problem.
>
> >I found a broken wire going to the key switch, and a second partially
> >broken. *Both were replaced. *Turning the key to the first position
> >turns on the head and tail lights. *Turning it to the start position
> >now turns on the gauges (a dakota digital) and then trips the breaker
> >after a second or so, losing the gauges as well. *Flipping the run
> >switch to 'off' and turning the key doesn't trip the breaker and the
> >gauges stay on.
>
> >I have narrowed down the short to involving the ignition circuit. *The
> >wiring is through the frame and bars.
>
> >I don't see any obvious wire breaks or exposure.
>
> >My question is, what is the next step. *Should I replace the starter
> >relay, or am I doomed to pulling all those wires out of the bars and
> >frame? *Any suggestions?
>
> >Thanks for reading a long post!
>
> >Ken
>
> A drink for all, Shirley -
>
> Well, the afternoon was spent using the compass, pulling the bars off
> (looked like it was there according to the compass technique), and
> tracing the ignition wires.
>
> I found the short actually in the ignition wire going from the run
> switch to the coil, about 3 inches from the coil. *It had gotten
> caught between parts of the mounting bracket and flattened with the
> insulation opened, thus the short only when the run switch was on.
>
> That was a total pain, but now there are two others, although I know
> how to fix them.
>
> First, my motorcycle lift's hydraulics leaked and now the lift is
> stuck elevated and I won't be able to get the bike off until I can get
> lifting help, or figure how to release the safety catches. *It is a
> Sears lift. *Looks like it needs a new piston.
>
> The second is there was a brown sludge in the gas line, and in the
> carb. *Cleaned the carb and lines, filtered the gas, put it all back
> together, and got NO FLOW through the lines. *Drained the tank again,
> pulled the petcock and found that somehow the filter was off of it.
> Found it on one of the benches. *I wonder what bozo put the petcock in
> without the filter........(guess it was me since I built the darned
> thing...how could that have happened!?)
>
> I put a followup pick on the other newsgroup.
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> Ken- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Congrats, Wench!
I mean ... Wrench!
Hey, sounds logical, squashed inside a bracket. Ain't that how it
always is? At least it wasn't inside a frame tube. Next round's on
me, Ken. Good detective work!
--Sarge, on an only slightly damp day, in a gray, tropical depression
kind of way, Flah.
Seemingly how my days-off always turn out.

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:15:12 -0700 (PDT), Sarge <sargehere@cfl.rr.com> wrote:


>--Sarge, on an only slightly damp day, in a gray, tropical depression
>kind of way, Flah.
>Seemingly how my days-off always turn out.

If you bein' back at work is all it takes to get rid of this gray shit
I'll happily come give you a push start................8^)
-

Jinks ('86FXRS, '07 FLTR)
#64
Remember, "No good deed goes unpunished"

On Aug 20, 6:58*pm, Jinks <Ji...@thecomputer.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:15:12 -0700 (PDT), Sarge <sargeh...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> >--Sarge, on an only slightly damp day, in a gray, tropical depression
> >kind of way, Flah.
> >Seemingly how my days-off always turn out.
>
> * * * * If you bein' back at work is all it takes to get rid of this gray shit
> I'll happily come give you a push start................8^)
> -
>
> Jinks ('86FXRS, '07 FLTR)
> #64
> Remember, "No good deed goes unpunished"
Great! I can call you in time to push off Ol' Tex an' me about noon
tamarra, then. Thanx! It's only about 60 or 80 miles, here to
Flagler.
While I gotcher attention, Jinks, what's your recollection of the
definition of "SENS?" I always took it to be "South East Net Scum,"
going back to the earliest days of r.m.h., when the trolling Sport
Bikers called all the Harley riders "internet scum," in here. I know
it's officially the "Pacific North West Brotherhood of the Slug," but
"South East Net Slugs" just doesn't have a ring like "South East Net
Scum." But ICBW.
See you tamarra at my garage! Thanx, Jinks!
--Sarge, BS 109
--Sarge

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:00:41 -0700 (PDT), Sarge <sargehere@cfl.rr.com>
wrote:

>On Aug 20, 6:58*pm, Jinks <Ji...@thecomputer.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:15:12 -0700 (PDT), Sarge <sargeh...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>> >--Sarge, on an only slightly damp day, in a gray, tropical depression
>> >kind of way, Flah.
>> >Seemingly how my days-off always turn out.
>>
>> * * * * If you bein' back at work is all it takes to get rid of this gray shit
>> I'll happily come give you a push start................8^)
>> -
>>
>> Jinks ('86FXRS, '07 FLTR)
>> #64
>> Remember, "No good deed goes unpunished"
>Great! I can call you in time to push off Ol' Tex an' me about noon
>tamarra, then. Thanx! It's only about 60 or 80 miles, here to
>Flagler.
>While I gotcher attention, Jinks, what's your recollection of the
>definition of "SENS?" I always took it to be "South East Net Scum,"
>going back to the earliest days of r.m.h., when the trolling Sport
>Bikers called all the Harley riders "internet scum," in here. I know
>it's officially the "Pacific North West Brotherhood of the Slug," but
>"South East Net Slugs" just doesn't have a ring like "South East Net
>Scum." But ICBW.
>See you tamarra at my garage! Thanx, Jinks!
>--Sarge, BS 109
>--Sarge
>

Slugs ain't got no SENS. Two completly different corners of the
country. Slugs started in the PNW and SENS started in Floridia.
--
Old Crow
'82 FLTC(P)'Pearl'
'87 FLTC 'Bebe La Strange'
'61 F-100
BS#132, TOMKAT, SENS, SLOB#13
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:00:41 -0700 (PDT), Sarge <sargehere@cfl.rr.com>
wrote:

>it's officially the "Pacific North West Brotherhood of the Slug,"

Officially?

<"don't give me that bruddah bruddah bruddah bruddah">

Weather in the Pacific Northwet is a pile-o-dung today too. It's only
been raining for two days and I already hate living here again...
officially!
--
Curly AH#117 BS#107
04 FLHTPI Cop Bike
"The party never ends"

On Aug 21, 10:29*am, LaJolla (LaJolla) wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:00:41 -0700 (PDT), Sarge <sargeh...@cfl.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> >it's officially the "Pacific North West Brotherhood of the Slug,"
>
> Officially?
>
> <"don't give me that bruddah bruddah bruddah bruddah">
>
> Weather in the Pacific Northwet is a pile-o-dung today too. *It's only
> been raining for two days and I already hate living here again...
> officially!
> --
> Curly AH#117 BS#107
> 04 FLHTPI Cop Bike
> "The party never ends"

Ha 'bout, "f-o-r-m-a-l-l-y?" Slime an' all.

Soory 'bout th' weather. Can't even send you enny Flah-da sunshine to
brighten yer day, tudday. Just think, it's makin' the trees greener.

--Sarge

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:02:05 -0700 (PDT), Sarge <sargehere@cfl.rr.com>
wrote:
>
>Soory 'bout th' weather. Can't even send you enny Flah-da sunshine to
>brighten yer day, tudday. Just think, it's makin' the trees greener.

myy family is under water in melbouring, (beachside actually) the
house is now flooded


>
>--Sarge

LaJolla wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:00:41 -0700 (PDT), Sarge <sargehere@cfl.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> it's officially the "Pacific North West Brotherhood of the Slug,"
>
> Officially?
>

What's rule #1?????

<sfsf>

On Aug 21, 11:21*am, Steve Irving <sd...@nospamqwest.net> wrote:
> LaJolla wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:00:41 -0700 (PDT), Sarge <sargeh...@cfl.rr.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> it's officially the "Pacific North West Brotherhood of the Slug,"
>
> > Officially?
>
> What's rule #1?????
>
> <sfsf>

Nuthin's official? Keep it all a dark secret?
--Sarge

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:25:08 -0700 (PDT), Sarge <sargehere@cfl.rr.com>
wrote:

>On Aug 21, 11:21*am, Steve Irving <sd...@nospamqwest.net> wrote:
>> LaJolla wrote:
>> > On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:00:41 -0700 (PDT), Sarge <sargeh...@cfl.rr.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> it's officially the "Pacific North West Brotherhood of the Slug,"
>>
>> > Officially?
>>
>> What's rule #1?????
>>
>> <sfsf>
>
>Nuthin's official? Keep it all a dark secret?

there are no rules.........

>--Sarge

Sarge wrote:
> On Aug 21, 11:21 am, Steve Irving <sd...@nospamqwest.net> wrote:
>> LaJolla wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:00:41 -0700 (PDT), Sarge <sargeh...@cfl.rr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> it's officially the "Pacific North West Brotherhood of the Slug,"
>>> Officially?
>> What's rule #1?????
>>
>> <sfsf>
>
> Nuthin's official? Keep it all a dark secret?
> --Sarge


What's your slug# again????

<sfsf>

--
Steve Irving - BS#237/SLOB#12
http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike

"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and
understanding." Marshall McLuhan

On Aug 21, 11:55*am, Steve Irving <sd...@nospamqwest.net> wrote:
> Sarge wrote:
> > On Aug 21, 11:21 am, Steve Irving <sd...@nospamqwest.net> wrote:
> >> LaJolla wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:00:41 -0700 (PDT), Sarge <sargeh...@cfl.rr.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> it's officially the "Pacific North West Brotherhood of the Slug,"
> >>> Officially?
> >> What's rule #1?????
>
> >> <sfsf>

"To hear this message in English, please press 1?"

--Sarge

me@nospam.com wrote:

>>> What's rule #1?????
>>>

>
> there are no rules.........
>

<sfsf>

Ice cold beers with a big side of chips (hold the salt) and salsa on me this
morning.........


--
Steve Irving - BS#237/SLOB#12
http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike

"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and
understanding." Marshall McLuhan

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:25:08 -0700 (PDT), Sarge <sargehere@cfl.rr.com>
wrote:

>On Aug 21, 11:21*am, Steve Irving <sd...@nospamqwest.net> wrote:
>> LaJolla wrote:
>> > On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:00:41 -0700 (PDT), Sarge <sargeh...@cfl.rr.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> it's officially the "Pacific North West Brotherhood of the Slug,"
>>
>> > Officially?
>>
>> What's rule #1?????
>>
>> <sfsf>
>
>Nuthin's official? Keep it all a dark secret?

http://www.hawglydavidson.com/

Click on th' offishual Slug rules. Read th' last sentance real
slow... rinse, repeat as necessary. While yer in there ya might as
well read some of th' Slime Reports.

Snarl... prolly best not to be eating or drinkin' whilst readin' 'em