Steve Irving wrote:
> ThreeLegends wrote:
>
>
>>>>>>it won;t matter after Nov, Obama will be sure to ban all weapons from
>>>>>>private ownership like that AR-15
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm a gun owner voting for Obama and I'd be REAL interested in seeing
>>>>>where this
>>>>>thought came from, besides some republican campaign muckraker's
>>>>>ass.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>His own words perhaps?

>>>Really???
>>
>>According to him.
>
>
> Who's "him"???

Obama.

(how quick and swiftly you forget!)



> His staff filled out a card/survey with their own opinions without his knowledge.

>> What has changed?

Dare I ask again?


> Always pisses me off that I have to research local/state laws concerning
> firearms when I travel. Depending on local/state laws I sometimes have to adjust
> my travel routes/plans......in rare cases I even have to leave my gun at home.
> California makes it tough to have a gun in your possession, but not impossible.
> Colorado has such a variety of regulations from town to town, county to county
> that it's nearly impossible to figure out when you're legal and when you're not.

It SHOULD piss you off... I agree!
You are an AMERICAN citizen.

Democrats, and ALL LIBERALS do NOT want you have the right to protect
your self as you travel!




>>>"I think there is an individual right to bear arms, but it's subject to
>>>commonsense regulation." - Barrack Obama

>>Bingo!

> So what's wrong with commonsense regulations?? We've had them for years. Waiting
> periods, background checks, etc.

No such thing exists!
Rules and regulations that are only and constantly made by idiots, apply
only to the law abiding.
Criminals say "BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAA! KEWL! Our job is now easier!
Now WE have the advantage! "


Funny, that.



>> Why won't he define just what "commonsense regulation" is?

> Ask him, instead of posting conjecture on a usenet newsgroup.....<sheesh>

I did. That moron never replied.
No now I ask you WHY you want more legislation that accomplishes
nothing, and TAKES more personal freedoms away.



>>But what side of the fence does he lean on?
>
>
> Since his main background in education has been teaching constitutional law at
> the University of Chicago.......I'd say ("assume") that he would lean towards
> the constitution and legal decisions supporting the law.

What law?
What constitutional freedoms does he support?

Anybody can go to a school. That doesn't mean they are learned.
Hell's bells! My brother went to Princeton... and graduated!
And he's the most stump stupid person I ever had the displeasure of
knowing!
I hate that sack of cat crap!

My own Brother is an EDUCATED IDIOT!
But still, I support all people to have their own "INDIVIDUAL" rights
to WANT(not need!) the right to abort, to own the firearm of their
choice, and to CHOSE the cable system they desire!



>>Do YOU think you have the right to own a firearm, regardless of type?

> Yep......but I see nothing wrong with being required to pass background checks,
> acquire/qualify for special permits for certain types of weapons (like full auto
> machine guns), etc. which would certainly qualify as rules and conditions.

Being as I have passed all tests... why can't I have a Permit to carry
here in NJ, unless I prove to my LOCAL FEDERAL JUDGE, that I "NEED" one,
showing that my life is constant danger?
Why can't YOU carry concealed in ALL States?

And why not a Semi-Auto handgun with a 17 round or more magazine,
instead of just a 6 shot?

What's yer problem with me,you or other "legal people" from wanting to
have an AR-16 or a AK-47?


If your wife or daugther is impregnated, why can't SHE decide is she
wants the growth terminated?


Do you really "need" a Harley and/or a TV?
Or do you just want them?

What "right" to you think you have to justify those desires?



>
> Better read up on his more recent comments concerning that 12 year old survey
> then......

heh.
All I care about is that rather sweet 12 year old girl that I would
LOVE to take out to a movie!

After all SHE is smart!

Steve Irving wrote:
> ThreeLegends wrote:
>
>>Steve Irving wrote:
>>
>>>yeah i know...another repub putting words in people's mouths.....
>>
>>As a "repup" that wants all people to have a choice, stop being a
>>typical,liberal socialist that DOESN'T want anobody to have a say at all!
>
>
> Proved my point.......
>
> More words stuffed in my mouth that I didn't say.
>
> I'm liberal, but not a socialist, and far from typical.

>>We all know how Tipper Gore attempted to snuff out music she didn't
>>"approve of" via the PMRC!

> And who was it that tried to ban the book/movie "Aladdin" in her state???


Don't know... don't care... Didn't come to happen... I didn't watch it
anyway. (John Travolta must have had something to do with it)

But Possibly, the same book burning idiots that claim to be religious?

You tell me!
I know I didn't vote for her.



But it is funny that you also tried to grab " my words" from my throatal
portal as well... and see them as "Repub".

See how we is?

me@nospam.com wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:34:49 -0700, Steve Irving
> <sdirv@nospamqwest.net> wrote:
>
>> big_piper wrote:
>>> Steve Irving wrote:
>>>
>>>> Local gas here is running about $2.59 a gallon now, and we never had any
>>>> shortages.......don't know why, it comes up the pipeline from the Gulf
>>>> Coast.
>>>>
>>> Regular is still $3.29 or higher here in Seattle. Is it time to start
>>> raising the taxes on it to keep it at $4 to fund the development of the
>>> alternatives? Maybe not. How about if all the rich fucks making over
>>> $250k a year (individuals, not companies) all paid $10/gal?
>>>
>>> BP
>> I did read that the lower prices would indeed delay the development of
>> alternative energy sources.......
>>
>> People just don't get it......
>
> sheesh, nothing will change the speed of alternative sources, not
> untill someone can make millions doing it, and it ain;t there yet,
> it;s far to costly today
>
>
>

High priced gas "nudges" the market in that direction.......always has, always will.

--
Steve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12
http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike

"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and
understanding." Marshall McLuhan

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:23:50 -0700, Steve Irving
<sdirv@nospamqwest.net> wrote:


>I'm voting for Obama

btw here is who you are voting for

no wonder he doesn't want anyone to have ccw's! <g>



Barack Obama provided a glowing endorsement of a book by domestic
terrorist William Ayers in the Dec. 21, 1997 Chicago Tribune.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...ly-book-ayers/

me@nospam.com wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:42:26 -0700, Steve Irving
> <sdirv@nospamqwest.net> wrote:
>>> but really I'm just reading off facts on his stance of gun control, he
>>> is a Chicago bred politician after all.
>> And THAT tempers his opinions I'm sure.
>>
>> You should see the horrified looks we get over here from out of state visitors
>> when they see people carrying firearms in the open in places like grocery
>> stores, etc.
>
> I'll bring my camera next time I come out there, we need a trip to the
> southwest and hit some ghost towns, go to tombstone and places alike,
> ya know before we have no firearms to protect ourself while traveling
> and have to lock ourselves behind bullet proof doors <g>

I love it down there.....I go every chance I get. Damn near a yuppie paradise
now.....

Only thing we'd need a gun for would be rattlesnakes or illegal aliens.

>
>> People here don't give it a second thought since it's been legal pretty much
>> forever and therefor fairly "normal".
>>
>> Might have different opinions if we had a long, bloody history of street
>> violence and death I'm sure.
>
>
> hahahaha no, that was what, only like a 10-15 yr period , in the late
> 1800's (I'm starting to forget the wild west dates now) <grin>

The "wild west" was mostly in the movies......and violence was fairly localized.

Good book to read is "Arizona's Dark and Bloody Ground" by Forrest.

Best part I like is the shootout inside a house in Prescott when a Marshal,
Commodore Perry (yep that was his name) spotted a wanted guy sitting on the
front porch so he went into the yard and house to get him. There were three or
four more bad guys inside <sfsf>.

Most of the "wild west" stuff was guys hiding in the bushes shooting people they
didn't like in the back as they rode passed.....

>
> I bet foreigners are still looking for Billy da kid
>

Yep.......

--
Steve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12
http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:18:20 -0700, Steve Irving
<sdirv@nospamqwest.net> wrote:

>>
>> I'll bring my camera next time I come out there, we need a trip to the
>> southwest and hit some ghost towns, go to tombstone and places alike,
>> ya know before we have no firearms to protect ourself while traveling
>> and have to lock ourselves behind bullet proof doors <g>
>
>I love it down there.....I go every chance I get. Damn near a yuppie paradise
>now.....
>
>Only thing we'd need a gun for would be rattlesnakes or illegal aliens.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

are we riding to roswell? hahahahaha

>>> Might have different opinions if we had a long, bloody history of street
>>> violence and death I'm sure.
>>
>>
>> hahahaha no, that was what, only like a 10-15 yr period , in the late
>> 1800's (I'm starting to forget the wild west dates now) <grin>
>
>The "wild west" was mostly in the movies......and violence was fairly localized.

yea, I know, they sure made it seem like it was decades of wide
spread violence though, it really was only for a very short time like
10-12 or maybe 15 years

>Good book to read is "Arizona's Dark and Bloody Ground" by Forrest.
>
>Best part I like is the shootout inside a house in Prescott when a Marshal,
>Commodore Perry (yep that was his name) spotted a wanted guy sitting on the
>front porch so he went into the yard and house to get him. There were three or
>four more bad guys inside <sfsf>.
>
>Most of the "wild west" stuff was guys hiding in the bushes shooting people they
>didn't like in the back as they rode passed.....
>
>>
>> I bet foreigners are still looking for Billy da kid
>>
>
>Yep.......

we found his grave, alone with uhh marshall, shit wtf is his name....
where he was shot........... shit I cant think of his damn name now!

On Oct 21, 9:20*am, m...@nospam.com wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:42:37 -0500, Andy aka Big Stinkie
>
> <andy...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >My twin boys are 13 years old. I hope they eventually find a
> >girl like this to hang out with.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irykjLjuKo8
>
> it won;t matter after Nov, Obama will be sure to ban all weapons from
> private ownership like that AR-15
>
> that's why we are selling everything now, to get good money out of
> them before they have to be destroyed
>
> Tom
> (Vote Republican)
>
>
>
>
>
> >MC content: Doing the 35K service on Ripley today. The riding
> >season is winding down fast here in Kansas, so I wanna get her
> >all set for the winter.
>
> >Andy aka Big Stinkie BS#252 SLOB#3- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'd like to see them try to collect all the "listed" firearms here in
Texas. No, I take that back. I really wouldn't want to see
that;because I venture to say it would be very messy.Folks here REALLY
like their firearms,and their freedoms.

Tim

ThreeLegends wrote:
> Steve Irving wrote:
>> ThreeLegends wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>> it won;t matter after Nov, Obama will be sure to ban all weapons
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> private ownership like that AR-15
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm a gun owner voting for Obama and I'd be REAL interested in seeing
>>>>>> where this
>>>>>> thought came from, besides some republican campaign muckraker's
>>>>>> ass.....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> His own words perhaps?
>
>>>> Really???
>>>
>>> According to him.
>>
>>
>> Who's "him"???
>
> Obama.
>
> (how quick and swiftly you forget!)

Ok how about this.....you either believe everything he says, or you believe
nothing he says......you're cherry picking some of what he says and discarding
what doesn't fit for you.....

>
>
>
>> His staff filled out a card/survey with their own opinions without his
>> knowledge.
>
>>> What has changed?
>
> Dare I ask again?

Want me to answer again????

OK, I will.....

The recent Supreme Court decision concerning localized gun laws.....case was
from Washington DC.

>
>
>> Always pisses me off that I have to research local/state laws concerning
>> firearms when I travel. Depending on local/state laws I sometimes have
>> to adjust
>> my travel routes/plans......in rare cases I even have to leave my gun
>> at home.
>> California makes it tough to have a gun in your possession, but not
>> impossible.
>> Colorado has such a variety of regulations from town to town, county
>> to county
>> that it's nearly impossible to figure out when you're legal and when
>> you're not.
>
> It SHOULD piss you off... I agree!
> You are an AMERICAN citizen.
>
> Democrats, and ALL LIBERALS do NOT want you have the right to protect
> your self as you travel!

I call BULLSHIT......

I am a Democrat, a liberal, and I believe in the right to bear arms and to self
protection.


>
>
>
>
>>>> "I think there is an individual right to bear arms, but it's subject to
>>>> commonsense regulation." - Barrack Obama
>
>>> Bingo!
>
>> So what's wrong with commonsense regulations?? We've had them for
>> years. Waiting
>> periods, background checks, etc.
>
> No such thing exists!
> Rules and regulations that are only and constantly made by idiots, apply
> only to the law abiding.

> Criminals say "BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAA! KEWL! Our job is now easier!
> Now WE have the advantage! "
>
>
> Funny, that.

Yes, I think it frikkin hilarious when a criminal gets arrested and imprisoned
on a gun charge.......

>
>
>
>>> Why won't he define just what "commonsense regulation" is?
>
>> Ask him, instead of posting conjecture on a usenet newsgroup.....<sheesh>
>
> I did. That moron never replied.

That's the problem, McCain doesn't know how to do e-mail, he admitted it himself.

> No now I ask you WHY you want more legislation that accomplishes
> nothing, and TAKES more personal freedoms away.

Never said I did........I think the present laws are probably good enough, but
need to be enforced.

>
>
>
>>> But what side of the fence does he lean on?
>>
>>
>> Since his main background in education has been teaching
>> constitutional law at
>> the University of Chicago.......I'd say ("assume") that he would lean
>> towards
>> the constitution and legal decisions supporting the law.
>
> What law?
> What constitutional freedoms does he support?

Ask him.....

I'd think that as a good American, he'd support them all. If there were some he
didn't agree with he might work to change them....but that's our process. In the
meantime.....ya work with what ya have.

>
> Anybody can go to a school. That doesn't mean they are learned.

I didn't say he attended the University of Chigaco.....I said he taught
Constitutional Law at there, and he did for something like 12 years.

You might want to understand that the University of Chicago is a frikkin bastion
of conservatism as evidenced by Milton Friedman and his folks having been there
damn near forever......

> Hell's bells! My brother went to Princeton... and graduated!

> And he's the most stump stupid person I ever had the displeasure of
> knowing!

Was he smart enough to TEACH at Princeton???? Did he take a position there???

> I hate that sack of cat crap!
>
> My own Brother is an EDUCATED IDIOT!

My brother is an uneducated dumbass.......

> But still, I support all people to have their own "INDIVIDUAL" rights
> to WANT(not need!) the right to abort, to own the firearm of their
> choice, and to CHOSE the cable system they desire!

There we go with the want/need thing again.

Let's see.....if I'm totally BALD, I may want a haircut.....but I wouldn't be
able to have one. If I'm not totally BALD......I would "need" to have a haircut,
but would at the time, place, and circumstances of my choosing.....

You are defining "need" in a way different from the way I used the word.

>
>
>
>>> Do YOU think you have the right to own a firearm, regardless of type?
>
>> Yep......but I see nothing wrong with being required to pass
>> background checks,
>> acquire/qualify for special permits for certain types of weapons (like
>> full auto
>> machine guns), etc. which would certainly qualify as rules and
>> conditions.
>
> Being as I have passed all tests... why can't I have a Permit to carry
> here in NJ, unless I prove to my LOCAL FEDERAL JUDGE, that I "NEED" one,
> showing that my life is constant danger?
> Why can't YOU carry concealed in ALL States?

Because of bullshit local/state laws that may fall eventually because of the
recent Supreme Court case. Be the first one to sue your state under the precedent.

>
> And why not a Semi-Auto handgun with a 17 round or more magazine,
> instead of just a 6 shot?

I've got 10 and 15 round magazines for my 9mm....

>
> What's yer problem with me,you or other "legal people" from wanting to
> have an AR-16 or a AK-47?

Why would I have a problem with that?? Did you see my response to your question
about the right to own firearms regardless of type???

I've been shopping for an AR-15 type gun.......my wife doesn't see a "need" for
me to spend the @$1000 to buy and feed it.

> If your wife or daugther is impregnated, why can't SHE decide is she
> wants the growth terminated?

Where do you get this stuff????

>
>
> Do you really "need" a Harley and/or a TV?
> Or do you just want them?

I'd die without them.....and the TV better be high definition.

>
> What "right" to you think you have to justify those desires?
>

I've got the right since it's "all about me".....

>
>
>>
>> Better read up on his more recent comments concerning that 12 year old
>> survey
>> then......
>
> heh.
> All I care about is that rather sweet 12 year old girl that I would
> LOVE to take out to a movie!
>
> After all SHE is smart!

I thought you lived in NJ, not Kentucky........

--
Steve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12
http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike

"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and
understanding." Marshall McLuhan

ThreeLegends wrote:
> Steve Irving wrote:
>> ThreeLegends wrote:
>>
>>> Steve Irving wrote:
>>>
>>>> yeah i know...another repub putting words in people's mouths.....
>>>
>>> As a "repup" that wants all people to have a choice, stop being a
>>> typical,liberal socialist that DOESN'T want anobody to have a say at
>>> all!
>>
>>
>> Proved my point.......
>>
>> More words stuffed in my mouth that I didn't say.
>>
>> I'm liberal, but not a socialist, and far from typical.
>
>>> We all know how Tipper Gore attempted to snuff out music she didn't
>>> "approve of" via the PMRC!
>
>> And who was it that tried to ban the book/movie "Aladdin" in her state???
>
>
> Don't know... don't care... Didn't come to happen... I didn't watch it
> anyway. (John Travolta must have had something to do with it)
>
> But Possibly, the same book burning idiots that claim to be religious?

How did you know?????

>
> You tell me!
> I know I didn't vote for her.
>

Minnesota (R) Congresswoman Michele Bachmann......

>
>
> But it is funny that you also tried to grab " my words" from my throatal
> portal as well... and see them as "Repub".
>
> See how we is?

Only because we both know what buttons to push.

Although about 15 nanoseconds after I hit <send> on my first reply to you I
muttered to myself "Oh fuck.....I just replied to Panhead in a political
discussion!".......

--
Steve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12
http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike

"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and
understanding." Marshall McLuhan

me@nospam.com wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:23:50 -0700, Steve Irving
> <sdirv@nospamqwest.net> wrote:
>
>
>> I'm voting for Obama
>
> btw here is who you are voting for
>
> no wonder he doesn't want anyone to have ccw's! <g>
>
>
>
> Barack Obama provided a glowing endorsement of a book by domestic
> terrorist William Ayers in the Dec. 21, 1997 Chicago Tribune.
>
> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...ly-book-ayers/

And the book was about the Juvenile Justice system.......what's your point.

Speaking of Bill Ayer's (since you brought him up)......

What do you know about the Weather Underground????

They had an anti-war agenda that manifested itself in the bombing of government
buildings.

They ALWAYS warned of the bombings ahead of time, the only people killed by them
were their own members by accident when three of them died in an accidental
explosion while making a bomb.

They claimed responsibility for everything they did......

A bombing in San Francisco that was blamed on them didn't follow their MO. It
was a pipe bomb left on a window sill at a police station, one officer died,
another was wounded. There has never been any determination as to who did
it.....could have been any number of groups at that time.

I was against the war, but I think their actions were reprehensible. Their
members who went to prison deserved what they got......

--
Steve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12
http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike

"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and
understanding." Marshall McLuhan

Tim wrote:

>
> I'd like to see them try to collect all the "listed" firearms here in
> Texas. No, I take that back. I really wouldn't want to see
> that;because I venture to say it would be very messy.Folks here REALLY
> like their firearms,and their freedoms.
>
> Tim

We all do.......

--
Steve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12
http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike

"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and
understanding." Marshall McLuhan

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:21:29 -0700, Steve Irving
>> btw here is who you are voting for
>>
>> no wonder he doesn't want anyone to have ccw's! <g>
>>
>>
>>
>> Barack Obama provided a glowing endorsement of a book by domestic
>> terrorist William Ayers in the Dec. 21, 1997 Chicago Tribune.
>>
>> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...ly-book-ayers/
>
>And the book was about the Juvenile Justice system.......what's your point.

Obama - Ayers, no ccw's take your guns away, socialism, hmmm getting
close to communism, think Hitler and the ethnic cleansing - only you
and I this time (ok ok that pushing it, but it is not that FAR
fetched) just how close are these two that you nor I know about

>Speaking of Bill Ayer's (since you brought him up)......
>
>What do you know about the Weather Underground????
>
>They had an anti-war agenda that manifested itself in the bombing of government
>buildings.

yea, and that is terrorism, period.

>They ALWAYS warned of the bombings ahead of time,

and this makes it ok?

> the only people killed by them
>were their own members by accident when three of them died in an accidental
>explosion while making a bomb.
>
>They claimed responsibility for everything they did......

So does BinLardass!

Obama is friendly to a terrorist to this country!

>A bombing in San Francisco that was blamed on them didn't follow their MO. It
>was a pipe bomb left on a window sill at a police station, one officer died,
>another was wounded. There has never been any determination as to who did
>it.....could have been any number of groups at that time.

and this makes it ok for Barack Hussein obamamama to associate with
him, on how many levels? to endorse his book? no matter what it is
about, and about that Juvie crap, his hope is for the justice system
not to charge juvies as adults? on what levels next for murder?

>I was against the war, but I think their actions were reprehensible. Their
>members who went to prison deserved what they got......

and Ayers is a terrosit, Bamama is associated with him. I don;t like
that, at all, but hey I'm just an American.

just for the record, I'm not that impressed with McCain, I didnt vote
for him in the primaries, but I damn sure didnt vote for Obama either

its one reason I hate how the presidential race is decided, there is
no need for primary races IMHO.

BTW mid summer is reallyhot for the southwest, but may be the only
time we can make it that way

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Tim
<Timbre656@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I'd like to see them try to collect all the "listed" firearms here in
>Texas. No, I take that back. I really wouldn't want to see
>that;because I venture to say it would be very messy.Folks here REALLY
>like their firearms,and their freedoms.

that's bullshit too, yea there will be many to hide them, but little
that would actually fight to keep them, first time they pull a small
group of soldiers in town to take those firearms house by house, they
would hand them over.

>
>Tim

me@nospam.com shit a bunch of crap:
(snip)

[ploink] <-What took me so long?

BigPiper
BS#246

Steve Irving wrote:
> ThreeLegends wrote:

> Ok how about this.....you either believe everything he says, or you believe
> nothing he says......you're cherry picking some of what he says and discarding
> what doesn't fit for you.....

Funny how I refuse to believe a single thing anybody else ever sezzed.

I do, however, trust one person in all entirety, that has never led me
wrong.
(that would be me!) tee hee!

I only trust ME when I say that Obamma is a shit stained nigger,(in the
whitest sence of the word mind you) McCain is a moron, Bush is a retard,
Clintons are liars, Democrats are idiots, and Republicans are too!

I HATE the TWO PARTY SYSTEM.

I despise people that think that shit has to be EXTREME LEFT or EXTREME
RIGHT, instead of knowing that the alternative is "EXTREMELY PROPER!"

And yet, I say that YOU have the option, and the right, to say
otherwise, and disagree!

Do you agree?
Or Disagree?


> Want me to answer again????

Answer all you want.
I think and believe that you have that option/right to do so.



> OK, I will.....
>
> The recent Supreme Court decision concerning localized gun laws.....case was
> from Washington DC.

So what does that really mean, now that the 2nd Amendment is indeed INTACT?

Are you allowed to be human being, or not?



>>>>It SHOULD piss you off... I agree!
>>You are an AMERICAN citizen.
>>
>>Democrats, and ALL LIBERALS do NOT want you have the right to protect
>>your self as you travel!

> I call BULLSHIT......
>
> I am a Democrat, a liberal, and I believe in the right to bear arms and to self
> protection.

Then you have no problem with ANYBODY wanting an abortion, or a fully
automatic firearm...right?

Well, except those incarcerated?

I am neither Liberal nor Republican, as they are all criminals by nature.

I am instead, (sigh) educated.

I don't sit on the vibrating razor bladed fence, waiting for others to
see which half slides off to their side!

I have heavy duty wire cutters!
And I cut the wire, and now will use this item to BASH the idiots in
the face with it, if you think I have to join!

So again:
Democrats are idiots, Republicans are morons.

PAT PAULSON FOR PRESIDENT!


(snip the rest)

>

Steve Irving wrote:
"Oh fuck.....I just replied to Panhead in a political
> discussion!".......


See how you are?

me@nospam.com wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Tim
> <Timbre656@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> I'd like to see them try to collect all the "listed" firearms here in
>> Texas. No, I take that back. I really wouldn't want to see
>> that;because I venture to say it would be very messy.Folks here REALLY
>> like their firearms,and their freedoms.
>
> that's bullshit too, yea there will be many to hide them, but little
> that would actually fight to keep them, first time they pull a small
> group of soldiers in town to take those firearms house by house, they
> would hand them over.
>
>> Tim
>
Buddy of mine used to listen to short wave radio all the time. He
regularly monitored an Australian station during the time when they
severely restricted gun ownership. They reported a run on 6 inch PVC
pipe and end caps at all the hardware stores. Couldn't buy that stuff
anywhere after a while. Seems people were sealing their guns in the
stuff, burying them, and reporting them stolen.

That's what he told me, anyway.

I have a shovel and 6 acres, I just need to buy some PVC pipe before the
election. Ya just never know.

Andy aka Big Stinkie BS#252 SLOB#3

me@nospam.com wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:21:29 -0700, Steve Irving
>>> btw here is who you are voting for
>>>
>>> no wonder he doesn't want anyone to have ccw's! <g>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Barack Obama provided a glowing endorsement of a book by domestic
>>> terrorist William Ayers in the Dec. 21, 1997 Chicago Tribune.
>>>
>>> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...ly-book-ayers/
>> And the book was about the Juvenile Justice system.......what's your point.
>
> Obama - Ayers, no ccw's take your guns away, socialism, hmmm getting
> close to communism, think Hitler and the ethnic cleansing - only you
> and I this time (ok ok that pushing it, but it is not that FAR
> fetched) just how close are these two that you nor I know about
>
>> Speaking of Bill Ayer's (since you brought him up)......
>>
>> What do you know about the Weather Underground????
>>
>> They had an anti-war agenda that manifested itself in the bombing of government
>> buildings.
>
> yea, and that is terrorism, period.
>

Period???

If you lived in England in the mid 1700's......how would you have classed the
actions of people living in the colonies????

The definition/history is written by the victors.

The conservatives are playing this card because the LOST that particular round
of history. Most people aren't paying any attention to it because of that.....

>> They ALWAYS warned of the bombings ahead of time,
>
> and this makes it ok?

I never said it was OK......I just said I knew something about what had occurred.

>
>> the only people killed by them
>> were their own members by accident when three of them died in an accidental
>> explosion while making a bomb.
>>
>> They claimed responsibility for everything they did......
>
> So does BinLardass!

I doubt it.....

>
> Obama is friendly to a terrorist to this country!

He (Obama) had a passing acquaintance several years ago to a guy (Ayers) who may
have committed terrorist acts (but was never convicted of anything) when Obama
was 8 years old. The whole dumbass premise of trying to connect dots here that
don't exists is why most people aren't paying any attention to it......

The repubs are losing the election so are shoveling any piece of horseshit they
can in a desperate attempt to win......it's not working, it's even dragging the
election further out of their grasp.....

>
>> A bombing in San Francisco that was blamed on them didn't follow their MO. It
>> was a pipe bomb left on a window sill at a police station, one officer died,
>> another was wounded. There has never been any determination as to who did
>> it.....could have been any number of groups at that time.
>
> and this makes it ok for Barack Hussein obamamama to associate with
> him, on how many levels? to endorse his book? no matter what it is

Reasonable people don't see anything there because there isn't...it's all made
up bullshit by campaign operatives......it's a "Rovian" campaign tactic, and
it's not working because people know it's a lie.

>
>> I was against the war, but I think their actions were reprehensible. Their
>> members who went to prison deserved what they got......
>
> and Ayers is a terrosit, Bamama is associated with him. I don;t like
> that, at all, but hey I'm just an American.

And McCain associated with the mob, took their money, even exerted
influence.....he's no better than any of the wall street criminals in my book.....

I don't like it at all....but hey...I'm just an American.

>
> just for the record, I'm not that impressed with McCain, I didnt vote
> for him in the primaries, but I damn sure didnt vote for Obama either
>
> its one reason I hate how the presidential race is decided, there is
> no need for primary races IMHO.

I've said for some time that ALL politicians are in the pocket of corporate
interests. Our entire political process of campaigns, elections, etc. are
intended to divert our attention from real issues and solutions. And having said
that.....no matter who wins, nothing will change because the orders are coming
from the same place.

Winston Churchill said that any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart,
while a man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains.

I just don't think I can give up my heart, no matter how old I get.

>
> BTW mid summer is reallyhot for the southwest, but may be the only
> time we can make it that way

My place is air conditioned, the pool is always ready, and the beer is cold......

If you're on 2 wheels and want to ride......we can be at elevation and in the
cool country in under an hour....<sfsf>


--
Steve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12
http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike

"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and
understanding." Marshall McLuhan

me@nospam.com wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Tim
> <Timbre656@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> I'd like to see them try to collect all the "listed" firearms here in
>> Texas. No, I take that back. I really wouldn't want to see
>> that;because I venture to say it would be very messy.Folks here REALLY
>> like their firearms,and their freedoms.
>
> that's bullshit too, yea there will be many to hide them, but little
> that would actually fight to keep them, first time they pull a small
> group of soldiers in town to take those firearms house by house, they
> would hand them over.
>
>> Tim
>

Might work in the first town.......after that they'd have to dig up half the
country to find the rest of 'em.

--
Steve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12
http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike

"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and
understanding." Marshall McLuhan

big_piper wrote:
> me@nospam.com shit a bunch of crap:
> (snip)
>
> [ploink] <-What took me so long?
>
> BigPiper
> BS#246

Oh man.....don't do that......Tom's OK.

Honest.......<sfsf>

--
Steve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12
http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike

"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and
understanding." Marshall McLuhan

ThreeLegends wrote:

>
> I do, however, trust one person in all entirety, that has never led me
> wrong.
> (that would be me!) tee hee!

I'll trust my wife, until she gives me reason not to....she's done OK for the
last 18 years....


>
> I HATE the TWO PARTY SYSTEM.

I'm leery of it......I've read some of Zinn's stuff....

>
> I despise people that think that shit has to be EXTREME LEFT or EXTREME
> RIGHT, instead of knowing that the alternative is "EXTREMELY PROPER!"

Extremism is always bad.......

>
> And yet, I say that YOU have the option, and the right, to say
> otherwise, and disagree!
>
> Do you agree?
> Or Disagree?

Yes.....

>
>
>> Want me to answer again????
>
> Answer all you want.
> I think and believe that you have that option/right to do so.
>
>
>
>> OK, I will.....
>>
>> The recent Supreme Court decision concerning localized gun
>> laws.....case was
>> from Washington DC.
>
> So what does that really mean, now that the 2nd Amendment is indeed INTACT?
>

Well......not a lot since they took a narrow view of the case. It'll take more
cases citing the first case before it really means a LOT.

> Are you allowed to be human being, or not?
>

I had to be one to begin with....

>
>>>>> It SHOULD piss you off... I agree!
>>> You are an AMERICAN citizen.
>>>
>>> Democrats, and ALL LIBERALS do NOT want you have the right to protect
>>> your self as you travel!
>
>> I call BULLSHIT......
>>
>> I am a Democrat, a liberal, and I believe in the right to bear arms
>> and to self
>> protection.
>
> Then you have no problem with ANYBODY wanting an abortion, or a fully
> automatic firearm...right?

Nope...

>
> Well, except those incarcerated?
>

Why would you want to deny an incarcerated woman an abortion???

Kidding...I knew what you meant.

Not just incarcerated.......anyone else who by law is not allowed ownership of a
gun.....felons, mental patients, etc.


> I am neither Liberal nor Republican, as they are all criminals by nature.
>
> I am instead, (sigh) educated.

My education will last a lifetime.....

>
> I don't sit on the vibrating razor bladed fence, waiting for others to
> see which half slides off to their side!
>
> I have heavy duty wire cutters!
> And I cut the wire, and now will use this item to BASH the idiots in
> the face with it, if you think I have to join!

You sound like a terrorist.....

>
> So again:
> Democrats are idiots, Republicans are morons.
>
> PAT PAULSON FOR PRESIDENT!

Christopher Walken for President.........


--
Steve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12
http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike

"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and
understanding." Marshall McLuhan

ThreeLegends wrote:
> Steve Irving wrote:
> "Oh fuck.....I just replied to Panhead in a political
>> discussion!".......
>
>
> See how you are?

At least I'm not a quitter........

--
Steve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12
http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike

"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and
understanding." Marshall McLuhan

big_piper wrote:
> Steve Irving shit a bunch of crap:
> (snip)
>
> [ploink] <-What took me so long?
>
> BigPiper
> BS#246

I fixed that for ya.

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"Andy aka Big Stinkie" <andythe@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:48fddc4d$1@127.0.0.1...
> My twin boys are 13 years old. I hope they eventually find a
> girl like this to hang out with.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irykjLjuKo8

Yeah but can she do it blindfolded?

"Andy aka Big Stinkie" <andythe@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:48fddc4d$1@127.0.0.1...
> My twin boys are 13 years old. I hope they eventually find a
> girl like this to hang out with.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irykjLjuKo8

Hey, all you Obama this, Obama that fucks. Give it a rest. Christ, why do
you have to take a thing and turn it into a pissing match. Why don't you
just create a new newsgroup alt.piss.moan.criticize and get the fuck outa
the bar with it?

And I mean that in a bad sorta way.

Nasty wrote:

> Hey, all you Obama this, Obama that fucks. Give it a rest. Christ, why do
> you have to take a thing and turn it into a pissing match. Why don't you
> just create a new newsgroup alt.piss.moan.criticize and get the fuck outa
> the bar with it?
>
> And I mean that in a bad sorta way.

You're absolutely right.

And if you'll give me a few minutes to make the call, I'll call off
those guys who are holding the gun to your head and making you read it.
--
spunky hussein VoteEarlyAndVoteOften tuna

Steve Irving wrote:

>
> Winston Churchill said that any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart,
> while a man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains.

he also said:

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

ah, maybe it was somebody else who said it...


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