As I'm not Greg Gutfield, I mean tranny as in transmission, of course.

Perfect timing if it had to happen, since the riding season is just
about at it's end, here in Edmonton. I now know what I'll be doing in
the garage this winter, so grab a drink of your choice on my tab if
you'd like to hear the story.

After 10 years with it, this bike is getting to be like an old friend
and I've said to acquaintances the only thing I haven't had apart on
it was the bottom end and the transmission. Looks like I'll be able
to strike the latter off that list pretty soon.

Nearly back to the city from a ride in the country today, I took off
from a street light in first gear and, when I shifted to second, all
heck broke loose. No power to the rear wheel and a terrible
rattling/grinding noise coming from the primary/clutch area.

Ah shit. So I pulled in the clutch and coasted into the nearest
parking lot. Leaving the bike running, I found that if the bike was
in neutral, no noise. As soon as I put it in gear (any gear) the
noise started. No power to the wheel, just a constant grinding noise.

I had just bought a clutch pack yesterday because I was planning to
replace it in this bike - a '98 FLTRI with 120,000 miles - and my
first thought was the clutch had gone, 'cause it's nearly worn out
(still the original). Or maybe that big nut holding the clutch pack
had let loose and was rattling against the inside of the primary. So
I took off the clutch inspection cover. Nut's still on tight, plenty
of fluid.

So I go find a phone to call a buddy to come with a truck and a ramp.
By the time I get back to the bike... Uh oh. A pool of what looked
to be transmission fluid has accumulated under the bike. And it's
black, dirty fluid too.

Checking the dipstick with the bike held level shows there's no fluid
left in the tranny, so I guess the last remaining bit on the pavement
right now had leaked out as I put the bike on the side stand.

Looking underneath... hard to say, but it seems to be coming out from
where the shaft to the primary leaves the transmission. I guess that
seal's shot or something. Maybe the after-effect of the damage that
occurred inside? Any thoughts?

Since the tranny's empty now and there's been no oil on the garage
floor where I park the bike everyday, it appears the fluid must have
drained while I was riding on the highway today.

Never heard anything unusual before things went to shit. But, then
again, I was wearing ear plugs and a balaclava today (it being a
pretty frigid day for riding at highway speeds).

So that was my miserable day.

I haven't had time to look around yet but hopefully there are some
new/near-new 5 speeds out there to be obtained, as a result of some
folks upgrading to six speeds. I'm not poor, but I'm not exactly rich
either!

I'm also not sure yet about how difficult a job this will be. I'm
hoping the work can be done without fully removing the transmission,
so anyone who has some experience on what I'm likely to be faced with,
I'm certainly all ears.

And, of course, this will be a good excuse for making a photo record
to add to my website of how the repair (eventually) gets accomplished
so I'll try to make the experience gained useful.

Thanks for reading.


Website: http://xidos.ca

On Oct 20, 3:22*am, langkd_NO_S...@shaw.ca (Road Glidin' Don) wrote:
> As I'm not Greg Gutfield, I mean tranny as in transmission, of course.
>
> Perfect timing if it had to happen, since the riding season is just
> about at it's end, here in Edmonton. *I now know what I'll be doing in
> the garage this winter, so grab a drink of your choice on my tab if
> you'd like to hear the story.
>
> After 10 years with it, this bike is getting to be like an old friend
> and I've said to acquaintances the only thing I haven't had apart on
> it was the bottom end and the transmission. *Looks like I'll be able
> to strike the latter off that list pretty soon.
>
> Nearly back to the city from a ride in the country today, I took off
> from a street light in first gear and, when I shifted to second, all
> heck broke loose. *No power to the rear wheel and a terrible
> rattling/grinding noise coming from the primary/clutch area.
>
> Ah shit. *So I pulled in the clutch and coasted into the nearest
> parking lot. *Leaving the bike running, I found that if the bike was
> in neutral, no noise. *As soon as I put it in gear (any gear) the
> noise started. *No power to the wheel, just a constant grinding noise.
>
> I had just bought a clutch pack yesterday because I was planning to
> replace it in this bike - a '98 FLTRI with 120,000 miles - and my
> first thought was the clutch had gone, 'cause it's nearly worn out
> (still the original). *Or maybe that big nut holding the clutch pack
> had let loose and was rattling against the inside of the primary. *So
> I took off the clutch inspection cover. *Nut's still on tight, plenty
> of fluid.
>
> So I go find a phone to call a buddy to come with a truck and a ramp.
> By the time I get back to the bike... *Uh oh. *A pool of what looked
> to be transmission fluid has accumulated under the bike. *And it's
> black, dirty fluid too. *
>
> Checking the dipstick with the bike held level shows there's no fluid
> left in the tranny, so I guess the last remaining bit on the pavement
> right now had leaked out as I put the bike on the side stand. *
>
> Looking underneath... hard to say, but it seems to be coming out from
> where the shaft to the primary leaves the transmission. *I guess that
> seal's shot or something. *Maybe the after-effect of the damage that
> occurred inside? *Any thoughts?
>
> Since the tranny's empty now and there's been no oil on the garage
> floor where I park the bike everyday, it appears the fluid must have
> drained while I was riding on the highway today. *
>
> Never heard anything unusual before things went to shit. *But, then
> again, I was wearing ear plugs and a balaclava today (it being a
> pretty frigid day for riding at highway speeds).
>
> So that was my miserable day. *
>
> I haven't had time to look around yet but hopefully there are some
> new/near-new 5 speeds out there to be obtained, as a result of some
> folks upgrading to six speeds. *I'm not poor, but I'm not exactly rich
> either!
>
> I'm also not sure yet about how difficult a job this will be. *I'm
> hoping the work can be done without fully removing the transmission,
> so anyone who has some experience on what I'm likely to be faced with,
> I'm certainly all ears.
>
> And, of course, this will be a good excuse for making a photo record
> to add to my website of how the repair (eventually) gets accomplished
> so I'll try to make the experience gained useful.
>
> Thanks for reading.
>
> Website: *http://xidos.ca

You will be fully removing the transmission, so might as well get
comfortable with it. D'ya have a bike lift in your garage? 'Makes it a
lot easier. With the primary completely disassembled, the trans will
slide out the same side. It's not really difficult, and you'll
probably be able to completely rebuild it on your bench. A hydraulic
press ( steel I-beams in a vertical rectangle and a hydraulic jack,
basically) will help you press your ten-year-old bronze bushings in
and out. Onlyrequires a few specialized tools. You'll have an
enjoyable project you can perform on your workbench, and the
satisfaction afterwards that you did it yourself! There are plenty of
service manuals that take you through the step-by-step. Enjoy the
project!
--Sarge. Fla.

> I'm also not sure yet about how difficult a job this will be. *I'm
> hoping the work can be done without fully removing the transmission,
> so anyone who has some experience on what I'm likely to be faced with,
> I'm certainly all ears.
>
> And, of course, this will be a good excuse for making a photo record
> to add to my website of how the repair (eventually) gets accomplished
> so I'll try to make the experience gained useful.
>
> Thanks for reading.

sounds like a complete removal is the way to go.
check the case for cracks.
6 spd gear sets are cheap enough $5-600 , 5 spd take out gears are
$200 or less.
Depends exactly what you need/want at that point.
you might even find a take out factory 5 sped for $400 if somone put
in a complete 6 spd
sorry the last ride of the season was just that
good luck
kickstart

On Oct 20, 5:07*am, Sarge <sargeh...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

> You will be fully removing the transmission, so might as well get
> comfortable with it. D'ya have a bike lift in your garage?

You betcha. Upgraded to a full table style lift a year ago and it
sure is a lot nicer working on a bike that way.

> 'Makes it a
> lot easier. With the primary completely disassembled, the trans will
> slide out the same side. It's not really difficult, and you'll
> probably be able to completely rebuild it on your bench.

Sounds like this will be interesting.

I've also been futzing with that shift lever that extends upward from
the tranny shaft (http://xidos.ca/Bikes/RMH/BikeOverhaul2006.htm).
This will give me a chance to finally get it done right, while I'm at
it.

> A hydraulic
> press ( steel I-beams in a vertical rectangle and a hydraulic jack,
> basically) will help you press your ten-year-old bronze bushings in
> and out. Onlyrequires a few specialized tools.

Sounds do-able. I've got access to a good hydraulic press.

> You'll have an
> enjoyable project you can perform on your workbench, and the
> satisfaction afterwards that you did it yourself! *There are plenty of
> service manuals that take you through the step-by-step. Enjoy the
> project!

Thanks Sarge, I'm looking forward to it.

And, in case anyone's wondering... yep, I have the Service Manual for
the bike. Even the Parts Book too.

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:22:10 GMT, langkd_NO_SPAM@shaw.ca (Road Glidin'
Don) wrote:

<schnipp>

>I'm also not sure yet about how difficult a job this will be. I'm
>hoping the work can be done without fully removing the transmission,
>so anyone who has some experience on what I'm likely to be faced with,
>I'm certainly all ears.

You'll be pullin' it. No way will ya be able to check all th'
clearances n' specs with it in th' bike. Lots easier to work on too.
Ain't a big deal to pull either.

>And, of course, this will be a good excuse for making a photo record
>to add to my website of how the repair (eventually) gets accomplished
>so I'll try to make the experience gained useful.

You do a good job of documenting this kinda stuff. Have fun!

Snarl

On Oct 20, 5:22*am, kickstart <kickstart...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm also not sure yet about how difficult a job this will be. *I'm
> > hoping the work can be done without fully removing the transmission,
> > so anyone who has some experience on what I'm likely to be faced with,
> > I'm certainly all ears.
>
> > And, of course, this will be a good excuse for making a photo record
> > to add to my website of how the repair (eventually) gets accomplished
> > so I'll try to make the experience gained useful.
>
> > Thanks for reading.
>
> sounds like a complete removal is the way to go.
> check the case for cracks.
> 6 spd gear sets are cheap enough $5-600 , 5 spd take out gears are
> $200 or less.
> Depends exactly what you need/want at that point.
> you might even find a take out factory 5 sped for $400 if somone put
> in a complete 6 spd
> sorry the last ride of the season was just that

Thanks for that info, Kickstart. It'll be interesting to see what I
can find for a replacement.

Luckily, last year I finally bought a second bike, the Street Bob, so
I can fall back on that. Of course, with no windshield, it's a bit of
a Spartan experience riding that thing at this time of year... but at
least I'm not out of options yet. Still plan to do some more riding
before the snow flies.

And, if I get really hard up, I could ride my wife's windshield-
equipped Sportster... Nah! <g>

On Oct 20, 10:24*am, sn...@trippin.com wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:22:10 GMT, langkd_NO_S...@shaw.ca (Road Glidin'
>
> Don) wrote:
>
> <schnipp>
>
> >I'm also not sure yet about how difficult a job this will be. *I'm
> >hoping the work can be done without fully removing the transmission,
> >so anyone who has some experience on what I'm likely to be faced with,
> >I'm certainly all ears.
>
> You'll be pullin' it. *No way will ya be able to check all th'
> clearances n' specs with it in th' bike. *Lots easier to work on too.
> Ain't a big deal to pull either.

From an initial, cursory reading of the Service Manual, it looks like
I'll have to undo the front engine mount to lift the front of the
engine, to get the oil pan ahead of the frame cross-brace.* For this
kind of job, I suppose the oil pan and tranny itself should come off
as one unit, right?

I don't mind the idea of lifting the front of the motor, as I'd like
to replace that rubber mount anyway (still the original one in there).

> >And, of course, this will be a good excuse for making a photo record
> >to add to my website of how the repair (eventually) gets accomplished
> >so I'll try to make the experience gained useful.
>
> You do a good job of documenting this kinda stuff. *Have fun!

Thanks. Yep, you'll be seeing it all in glorious technocolor before
winter's end.

Another round for you guys!

Road Glidin' Don wrote:
> On Oct 20, 10:24 am, sn...@trippin.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:22:10 GMT, langkd_NO_S...@shaw.ca (Road Glidin'
>>
>> Don) wrote:
>>
>> <schnipp>
>>
>>> I'm also not sure yet about how difficult a job this will be. I'm
>>> hoping the work can be done without fully removing the transmission,
>>> so anyone who has some experience on what I'm likely to be faced with,
>>> I'm certainly all ears.
>> You'll be pullin' it. No way will ya be able to check all th'
>> clearances n' specs with it in th' bike. Lots easier to work on too.
>> Ain't a big deal to pull either.
>
> From an initial, cursory reading of the Service Manual, it looks like
> I'll have to undo the front engine mount to lift the front of the
> engine, to get the oil pan ahead of the frame cross-brace. For this
> kind of job, I suppose the oil pan and tranny itself should come off
> as one unit, right?
>
> I don't mind the idea of lifting the front of the motor, as I'd like
> to replace that rubber mount anyway (still the original one in there).
>
>>> And, of course, this will be a good excuse for making a photo record
>>> to add to my website of how the repair (eventually) gets accomplished
>>> so I'll try to make the experience gained useful.
>> You do a good job of documenting this kinda stuff. Have fun!
>
> Thanks. Yep, you'll be seeing it all in glorious technocolor before
> winter's end.
>
> Another round for you guys!
>
>

As long as yer buyin'....... Burp*

Afore ya goes an yerks the whole trans, ya mights spend a we bit of time
to be sure the whole enchilada has to hit the floor. I've reworked many
without the case leaving the frame. At least pull the roof off it and
the shift drum so's yew can give'r an eyeball.

Though the sounds of it are not good. You say all gears not good, I'd
give 5th a try. I'm thinking the counter shaft is striped. And the leak
is not a good sign as something may have re-modeled the case.

"kickstart" <kickstart257@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8bc5805a-7908-4e68-be2e-268f8638dc75@v56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

> I'm also not sure yet about how difficult a job this will be. I'm
> hoping the work can be done without fully removing the transmission,
> so anyone who has some experience on what I'm likely to be faced with,
> I'm certainly all ears.
>
> And, of course, this will be a good excuse for making a photo record
> to add to my website of how the repair (eventually) gets accomplished
> so I'll try to make the experience gained useful.
>
> Thanks for reading.

sounds like a complete removal is the way to go.
check the case for cracks.
6 spd gear sets are cheap enough $5-600 , 5 spd take out gears are
$200 or less.
Depends exactly what you need/want at that point.
you might even find a take out factory 5 sped for $400 if somone put
in a complete 6 spd
sorry the last ride of the season was just that
good luck
kickstart
Could of been worse, could have been the first ride of the season!
Paned

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:29:20 GMT, Ryder Rick <rickb794@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Road Glidin' Don wrote:
>
>> Another round for you guys!
>
>As long as yer buyin'....... Burp*

That's what they're there for!

>Afore ya goes an yerks the whole trans, ya mights spend a we bit of time
>to be sure the whole enchilada has to hit the floor. I've reworked many
>without the case leaving the frame. At least pull the roof off it and
>the shift drum so's yew can give'r an eyeball.
>
>Though the sounds of it are not good. You say all gears not good, I'd
>give 5th a try. I'm thinking the counter shaft is striped. And the leak
>is not a good sign as something may have re-modeled the case.

Sounds like good advice. I was thinking of filling it with fluid and
trying to shift it again, just to see what happens - just in case
having fluid in it makes some difference. As it was yesterday, it
seemed it just wasn't getting all the way in gear, grinding as it
tried.

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:05:30 -0400, "Paned"
<ehenning1@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

>Could of been worse, could have been the first ride of the season!

Heh, heh. Looking at it that way... since this might be the last week
of riding weather here - if the tranny had lasted a few more days,
that could very well have been the case this Spring!

Road Glidin' Don wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:29:20 GMT, Ryder Rick <rickb794@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Road Glidin' Don wrote:
>>
>>> Another round for you guys!
>> As long as yer buyin'....... Burp*
>
> That's what they're there for!
>
>> Afore ya goes an yerks the whole trans, ya mights spend a we bit of time
>> to be sure the whole enchilada has to hit the floor. I've reworked many
>> without the case leaving the frame. At least pull the roof off it and
>> the shift drum so's yew can give'r an eyeball.
>>
>> Though the sounds of it are not good. You say all gears not good, I'd
>> give 5th a try. I'm thinking the counter shaft is striped. And the leak
>> is not a good sign as something may have re-modeled the case.
>
> Sounds like good advice. I was thinking of filling it with fluid and
> trying to shift it again, just to see what happens - just in case
> having fluid in it makes some difference. As it was yesterday, it
> seemed it just wasn't getting all the way in gear, grinding as it
> tried.
>

Juice ain't gonna make it shift, try for 5th 'cause that dont use the
counter shaft. It locks the main shaft to 5th gear. If that one gets the
rear wheel spinnin' (prolly still make expensive noises) ya know better
what to look for. I'd do it by hand though so's nothin gets launched
through the case (unless it's too late)

<now playing Spirit - Elijah>

> Juice ain't gonna make it shift, try for 5th 'cause that dont use the
> counter shaft. It locks the main shaft to 5th gear. If that one gets the
> rear wheel spinnin' (prolly still make expensive noises) ya know better
> what to look for. I'd do it by hand though so's nothin gets launched
> through the case (unless it's too late)
>
> <now playing Spirit - Elijah>- Hide quoted text -


I'd almost bet the case is toast. If it wasn't leaking before the
noise started and then left a big puddle...

Hoppy
BS7 AH85 SENS SLOB16

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:24:07 GMT, Ryder Rick <rickb794@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Road Glidin' Don wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:29:20 GMT, Ryder Rick <rickb794@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Road Glidin' Don wrote:
>>>
>>>> Another round for you guys!
>>> As long as yer buyin'....... Burp*
>>
>> That's what they're there for!
>>
>>> Afore ya goes an yerks the whole trans, ya mights spend a we bit of time
>>> to be sure the whole enchilada has to hit the floor. I've reworked many
>>> without the case leaving the frame. At least pull the roof off it and
>>> the shift drum so's yew can give'r an eyeball.
>>>
>>> Though the sounds of it are not good. You say all gears not good, I'd
>>> give 5th a try. I'm thinking the counter shaft is striped. And the leak
>>> is not a good sign as something may have re-modeled the case.
>>
>> Sounds like good advice. I was thinking of filling it with fluid and
>> trying to shift it again, just to see what happens - just in case
>> having fluid in it makes some difference. As it was yesterday, it
>> seemed it just wasn't getting all the way in gear, grinding as it
>> tried.
>
>Juice ain't gonna make it shift, try for 5th 'cause that dont use the
>counter shaft. It locks the main shaft to 5th gear. If that one gets the
>rear wheel spinnin' (prolly still make expensive noises) ya know better
>what to look for. I'd do it by hand though so's nothin gets launched
>through the case (unless it's too late)
>
><now playing Spirit - Elijah>

I put the bike on the lift last night, blocked the rear wheel up to
let it spin easily, started the bike and tried all the gears last
night, Rick. Couldn't get the wheel to spin in any gear, including
5th.

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:51:43 -0700 (PDT), Hoppy
<theoneandonlyhoppy@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> Juice ain't gonna make it shift, try for 5th 'cause that dont use the
>> counter shaft. It locks the main shaft to 5th gear. If that one gets the
>> rear wheel spinnin' (prolly still make expensive noises) ya know better
>> what to look for. I'd do it by hand though so's nothin gets launched
>> through the case (unless it's too late)
>>
>> <now playing Spirit - Elijah>- Hide quoted text -
>
>I'd almost bet the case is toast. If it wasn't leaking before the
>noise started and then left a big puddle...

There's splatter on the rear wheel and sprocket too, where the oil had
been spitting, indicating it was leaking while I was riding.

The amount of oil it left on the ground after I stopped and put it on
the jiffy stand appears to be only the small amount that was left to
leak out, once the bike sat at an angle.

With the bike on the lift I was able to look underneath with a trouble
light better. It appears to have leaked from where the shaft exits
the tranny to go into the inner primary. No visible cracks in the
tranny case.

Road Glidin' Don wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:24:07 GMT, Ryder Rick <rickb794@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Road Glidin' Don wrote:
>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:29:20 GMT, Ryder Rick <rickb794@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Road Glidin' Don wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Another round for you guys!
>>>> As long as yer buyin'....... Burp*
>>> That's what they're there for!
>>>
>>>> Afore ya goes an yerks the whole trans, ya mights spend a we bit of time
>>>> to be sure the whole enchilada has to hit the floor. I've reworked many
>>>> without the case leaving the frame. At least pull the roof off it and
>>>> the shift drum so's yew can give'r an eyeball.
>>>>
>>>> Though the sounds of it are not good. You say all gears not good, I'd
>>>> give 5th a try. I'm thinking the counter shaft is striped. And the leak
>>>> is not a good sign as something may have re-modeled the case.
>>> Sounds like good advice. I was thinking of filling it with fluid and
>>> trying to shift it again, just to see what happens - just in case
>>> having fluid in it makes some difference. As it was yesterday, it
>>> seemed it just wasn't getting all the way in gear, grinding as it
>>> tried.
>> Juice ain't gonna make it shift, try for 5th 'cause that dont use the
>> counter shaft. It locks the main shaft to 5th gear. If that one gets the
>> rear wheel spinnin' (prolly still make expensive noises) ya know better
>> what to look for. I'd do it by hand though so's nothin gets launched
>> through the case (unless it's too late)
>>
>> <now playing Spirit - Elijah>
>
> I put the bike on the lift last night, blocked the rear wheel up to
> let it spin easily, started the bike and tried all the gears last
> night, Rick. Couldn't get the wheel to spin in any gear, including
> 5th.
>

Heck, I wonder if the pulley din't fall off?!

Ryder Rick wrote:
> Road Glidin' Don wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:24:07 GMT, Ryder Rick <rickb794@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Road Glidin' Don wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:29:20 GMT, Ryder Rick <rickb794@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Road Glidin' Don wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Another round for you guys!
>>>>> As long as yer buyin'....... Burp*
>>>> That's what they're there for!
>>>>
>>>>> Afore ya goes an yerks the whole trans, ya mights spend a we bit of
>>>>> time to be sure the whole enchilada has to hit the floor. I've
>>>>> reworked many without the case leaving the frame. At least pull the
>>>>> roof off it and the shift drum so's yew can give'r an eyeball.
>>>>>
>>>>> Though the sounds of it are not good. You say all gears not good,
>>>>> I'd give 5th a try. I'm thinking the counter shaft is striped. And
>>>>> the leak is not a good sign as something may have re-modeled the case.
>>>> Sounds like good advice. I was thinking of filling it with fluid and
>>>> trying to shift it again, just to see what happens - just in case
>>>> having fluid in it makes some difference. As it was yesterday, it
>>>> seemed it just wasn't getting all the way in gear, grinding as it
>>>> tried.
>>> Juice ain't gonna make it shift, try for 5th 'cause that dont use the
>>> counter shaft. It locks the main shaft to 5th gear. If that one gets
>>> the rear wheel spinnin' (prolly still make expensive noises) ya know
>>> better what to look for. I'd do it by hand though so's nothin gets
>>> launched through the case (unless it's too late)
>>>
>>> <now playing Spirit - Elijah>
>>
>> I put the bike on the lift last night, blocked the rear wheel up to
>> let it spin easily, started the bike and tried all the gears last
>> night, Rick. Couldn't get the wheel to spin in any gear, including
>> 5th.
>>
>
> Heck, I wonder if the pulley din't fall off?!

If that is a pre 94 machine I posted a fix for the pulley problem a
while back and requested it be put in the FAQ

On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:32:08 GMT, Ryder Rick <rickb794@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Ryder Rick wrote:
>> Road Glidin' Don wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:24:07 GMT, Ryder Rick <rickb794@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Road Glidin' Don wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:29:20 GMT, Ryder Rick <rickb794@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Road Glidin' Don wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another round for you guys!
>>>>>> As long as yer buyin'....... Burp*
>>>>> That's what they're there for!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Afore ya goes an yerks the whole trans, ya mights spend a we bit of
>>>>>> time to be sure the whole enchilada has to hit the floor. I've
>>>>>> reworked many without the case leaving the frame. At least pull the
>>>>>> roof off it and the shift drum so's yew can give'r an eyeball.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Though the sounds of it are not good. You say all gears not good,
>>>>>> I'd give 5th a try. I'm thinking the counter shaft is striped. And
>>>>>> the leak is not a good sign as something may have re-modeled the case.
>>>>> Sounds like good advice. I was thinking of filling it with fluid and
>>>>> trying to shift it again, just to see what happens - just in case
>>>>> having fluid in it makes some difference. As it was yesterday, it
>>>>> seemed it just wasn't getting all the way in gear, grinding as it
>>>>> tried.
>>>> Juice ain't gonna make it shift, try for 5th 'cause that dont use the
>>>> counter shaft. It locks the main shaft to 5th gear. If that one gets
>>>> the rear wheel spinnin' (prolly still make expensive noises) ya know
>>>> better what to look for. I'd do it by hand though so's nothin gets
>>>> launched through the case (unless it's too late)
>>>>
>>>> <now playing Spirit - Elijah>
>>>
>>> I put the bike on the lift last night, blocked the rear wheel up to
>>> let it spin easily, started the bike and tried all the gears last
>>> night, Rick. Couldn't get the wheel to spin in any gear, including
>>> 5th.
>>>
>>
>> Heck, I wonder if the pulley din't fall off?!
>
>If that is a pre 94 machine I posted a fix for the pulley problem a
>while back and requested it be put in the FAQ

I've been looking closely at it tonight and it looks like the problem
isn't with the pulley, Rick. But thanks anyway.

Oh, and my bike is a '98.

Just pulled off the outer primary, clutch and main sprocket tonight.
I'll get the inner primary off tomorrow evening and then be able to
get a better look at things.

BTW, the prices I'm hearing about here in Edmonton seem about double
those I've heard here. Looks like about $1,300 for just the gear
assembly and about $2,800 for an entire HD transmission. Ouch.

Road Glidin' Don wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:32:08 GMT, Ryder Rick <rickb794@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ryder Rick wrote:
>>> Road Glidin' Don wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:24:07 GMT, Ryder Rick <rickb794@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Road Glidin' Don wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:29:20 GMT, Ryder Rick <rickb794@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Road Glidin' Don wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another round for you guys!
>>>>>>> As long as yer buyin'....... Burp*
>>>>>> That's what they're there for!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Afore ya goes an yerks the whole trans, ya mights spend a we bit of
>>>>>>> time to be sure the whole enchilada has to hit the floor. I've
>>>>>>> reworked many without the case leaving the frame. At least pull the
>>>>>>> roof off it and the shift drum so's yew can give'r an eyeball.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Though the sounds of it are not good. You say all gears not good,
>>>>>>> I'd give 5th a try. I'm thinking the counter shaft is striped. And
>>>>>>> the leak is not a good sign as something may have re-modeled the case.
>>>>>> Sounds like good advice. I was thinking of filling it with fluid and
>>>>>> trying to shift it again, just to see what happens - just in case
>>>>>> having fluid in it makes some difference. As it was yesterday, it
>>>>>> seemed it just wasn't getting all the way in gear, grinding as it
>>>>>> tried.
>>>>> Juice ain't gonna make it shift, try for 5th 'cause that dont use the
>>>>> counter shaft. It locks the main shaft to 5th gear. If that one gets
>>>>> the rear wheel spinnin' (prolly still make expensive noises) ya know
>>>>> better what to look for. I'd do it by hand though so's nothin gets
>>>>> launched through the case (unless it's too late)
>>>>>
>>>>> <now playing Spirit - Elijah>
>>>> I put the bike on the lift last night, blocked the rear wheel up to
>>>> let it spin easily, started the bike and tried all the gears last
>>>> night, Rick. Couldn't get the wheel to spin in any gear, including
>>>> 5th.
>>>>
>>> Heck, I wonder if the pulley din't fall off?!
>> If that is a pre 94 machine I posted a fix for the pulley problem a
>> while back and requested it be put in the FAQ
>
> I've been looking closely at it tonight and it looks like the problem
> isn't with the pulley, Rick. But thanks anyway.
>
> Oh, and my bike is a '98.
>
> Just pulled off the outer primary, clutch and main sprocket tonight.
> I'll get the inner primary off tomorrow evening and then be able to
> get a better look at things.
>
> BTW, the prices I'm hearing about here in Edmonton seem about double
> those I've heard here. Looks like about $1,300 for just the gear
> assembly and about $2,800 for an entire HD transmission. Ouch.
>
eBay has some stuff listed right now. Not 100% sure
if all/any of these would work for you.

http://tinyurl.com/5quua8

http://tinyurl.com/6aqbox

http://tinyurl.com/5fb6y7

http://tinyurl.com/6dn35r

http://tinyurl.com/5gu55g

http://tinyurl.com/66lbna

http://tinyurl.com/5jk9f9

http://tinyurl.com/5h2d62


Harley 2007 Road Glide Engine / Transmission 1800 Miles
http://tinyurl.com/6cbl9z

Good luck in finding something that fits both
the bike and the wallet.
SKooter

langkd_NO_SPAM@shaw.ca (Road Glidin' Don) wrote in news:48feb596.17215995
@shawnews.ed.shawcable.net:

> BTW, the prices I'm hearing about here in Edmonton seem about double
> those I've heard here. Looks like about $1,300 for just the gear
> assembly and about $2,800 for an entire HD transmission. Ouch.
>

Will a 2004 FL gear set fit?

--
Bob Mann

Cap'n, ah need moor pow'r.

On Oct 22, 7:03*am, Bob Mann <bobm...@mtsremove.net> wrote:
> langkd_NO_S...@shaw.ca (Road Glidin' Don) wrote in news:48feb596.17215995
> @shawnews.ed.shawcable.net:
>
> > BTW, the prices I'm hearing about here in Edmonton seem about double
> > those I've heard here. *Looks like about $1,300 for just the gear
> > assembly and about $2,800 for an entire HD transmission. *Ouch.
>
> Will a 2004 FL gear set fit?

Hmmm. You know, now that you and Skooter mention it, I've got to
figure that angle out. I was just on the phone, trying to get a hold
of some people who might know what range of years and models have
trannys that will fit my bike. Haven't got an answer yet (maybe
someone here knows?).

We also have the semi-annual swap meet taking place this Saturday, so
I should get this figured out for then too.

Did you upgrade your '04 to a six-speed, Bob?

On Oct 22, 5:18*am, SKooter <skooter....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Road Glidin' Don wrote:
> > On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:32:08 GMT, Ryder Rick <rickb...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Ryder Rick wrote:
> >>> Road Glidin' Don wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:24:07 GMT, Ryder Rick <rickb...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Road Glidin' Don wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:29:20 GMT, Ryder Rick <rickb...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> Road Glidin' Don wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> Another round for you guys!
> >>>>>>> As long as yer buyin'....... *Burp*
> >>>>>> That's what they're there for!
>
> >>>>>>> Afore ya goes an yerks the whole trans, ya mights spend a we bit of
> >>>>>>> time to be sure the whole enchilada has to hit the floor. I've
> >>>>>>> reworked many without the case leaving the frame. At least pull the
> >>>>>>> roof off it and the shift drum so's yew can give'r an eyeball.
>
> >>>>>>> Though the sounds of it are not good. You say all gears not good,
> >>>>>>> I'd give 5th a try. I'm thinking the counter shaft is striped. And
> >>>>>>> the leak is not a good sign as something may have re-modeled the case.
> >>>>>> Sounds like good advice. *I was thinking of filling it with fluid and
> >>>>>> trying to shift it again, just to see what happens - just in case
> >>>>>> having fluid in it makes some difference. *As it was yesterday, it
> >>>>>> seemed it just wasn't getting all the way in gear, grinding as it
> >>>>>> tried.
> >>>>> Juice ain't gonna make it shift, try for 5th 'cause that dont use the
> >>>>> counter shaft. It locks the main shaft to 5th gear. If that one gets
> >>>>> the rear wheel spinnin' (prolly still make expensive noises) ya know
> >>>>> better what to look for. I'd do it by hand though so's nothin gets
> >>>>> launched through the case (unless it's too late)
>
> >>>>> <now playing Spirit - Elijah>
> >>>> I put the bike on the lift last night, blocked the rear wheel up to
> >>>> let it spin easily, started the bike and tried all the gears last
> >>>> night, Rick. *Couldn't get the wheel to spin in any gear, including
> >>>> 5th.
>
> >>> Heck, I wonder if the pulley din't fall off?!
> >> If that is a pre 94 machine I posted a fix for the pulley problem a
> >> while back and requested it be put in the FAQ
>
> > I've been looking closely at it tonight and it looks like the problem
> > isn't with the pulley, Rick. *But thanks anyway.
>
> > Oh, and my bike is a '98.
>
> > Just pulled off the outer primary, clutch and main sprocket tonight.
> > I'll get the inner primary off tomorrow evening and then be able to
> > get a better look at things.
>
> > BTW, the prices I'm hearing about here in Edmonton seem about double
> > those I've heard here. *Looks like about $1,300 for just the gear
> > assembly and about $2,800 for an entire HD transmission. *Ouch.
>
> eBay has some stuff listed right now. Not 100% sure
> if all/any of these would work for you.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5quua8
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6aqbox
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5fb6y7
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6dn35r
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5gu55g
>
> http://tinyurl.com/66lbna
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5jk9f9
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5h2d62
>
> Harley 2007 Road Glide Engine / Transmission 1800 Mileshttp://tinyurl.com/6cbl9z
>
> Good luck in finding something that fits both
> the bike and the wallet.

Thanks SKooter. I've gotta get this figured out, which years and
models will fit mine but, once I do, eBay sounds like it could be a
good place to get something.

Another thing is just how precisely it has to interchangeable. For
instance, I'm pretty sure the FLTRI and FLTR having different gear
ratios for the same year, so they'd probably be different part
numbers, but that doesn't necessarily mean I couldn't use the tranny
from an FLTR, I suppose.

On Oct 22, 7:03*am, Bob Mann <bobm...@mtsremove.net> wrote:
> langkd_NO_S...@shaw.ca (Road Glidin' Don) wrote in news:48feb596.17215995
> @shawnews.ed.shawcable.net:
>
> > BTW, the prices I'm hearing about here in Edmonton seem about double
> > those I've heard here. *Looks like about $1,300 for just the gear
> > assembly and about $2,800 for an entire HD transmission. *Ouch.
>
> Will a 2004 FL gear set fit?

Hi again, Bob. One of my contacts got back to me, telling me the
transmissions from anything with a Twin Cam won't work for my bike
(mine is the last year the Evo was in an FL). Although not certain,
he doubted a '98 and earlier tranny would fit either. It looks like
I'll need a '98 or earlier tranny/gearset from an FL...

> Another thing is just how precisely it has to interchangeable. *For
> instance, I'm pretty sure the FLTRI and FLTR having different gear
> ratios for the same year, so they'd probably be different part
> numbers, but that doesn't necessarily mean I couldn't use the tranny
> from an FLTR, I suppose.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

93-01 trans housings will work.
Gears will work 5 or new 6 spd replacements from 84 - 07
I am not sure bout 08-09 prob still the same.
In 93 the trans changed to the pan underneath thats when the oil tank
was moved from the saddle bag- last year FLHS
In 02 the rear pivot shaft to the swing arm changed from 5/8" tp 3/4"
HD went to the larger swing arm that year.
The only other thing to change was electronic speedo pick ups.
You don't need one and even if it has one it doesn't make any
difference to your aplication.
If you just need gears let me know I run accrss HD take out 5 spd gear
sets all day long for $400 and I know of a place that will sell you
Korean 6 spd gear sets for about $750, maybe less.
I have them in my 99 and have had no problems

On Oct 22, 1:58*pm, "Road Glidin' Don" <d.lan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Although not certain, he doubted a '98 and earlier tranny would fit either.

That should have been:

"Although not certain, he doubted a '98 or earlier tranny from a Dyna
would fit either."

On Oct 22, 1:58*pm, kickstart <kickstart...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Another thing is just how precisely it has to interchangeable. *For
> > instance, I'm pretty sure the FLTRI and FLTR having different gear
> > ratios for the same year, so they'd probably be different part
> > numbers, but that doesn't necessarily mean I couldn't use the tranny
> > from an FLTR, I suppose.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> 93-01 trans housings will work.
> Gears will work 5 or new 6 spd replacements from 84 - 07
> I am not sure bout 08-09 prob still the same.
> In 93 the trans changed to the pan underneath thats when the oil tank
> was moved from the saddle bag- last year FLHS
> In 02 the rear pivot shaft to the swing arm changed from 5/8" tp 3/4"
> HD went to the larger swing arm that year.
> The only other thing to change was electronic speedo pick ups.
> You don't need one and even if it has one it doesn't make any
> difference to your aplication.
> If you just need gears let me know I run accrss HD take out 5 spd gear
> sets all day long for $400 and I know of a place that will sell you
> Korean 6 spd gear sets for about $750, maybe less.
> I have them in my 99 and have had no problems

Wow. That's some information I really needed! Thanks Kickstart.

I'll be peering inside the top of that transmission tonight (very
likely) and might be able to say what is going to have to be replaced
after that.

On Oct 22, 1:58*pm, kickstart <kickstart...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 93-01 trans housings will work.
> Gears will work 5 or new 6 spd replacements from 84 - 07
> I am not sure bout 08-09 prob still the same.
> In 93 the trans changed to the pan underneath thats when the oil tank
> was moved from the saddle bag- last year FLHS
> In 02 the rear pivot shaft to the swing arm changed from 5/8" tp 3/4"
> HD went to the larger swing arm that year.

Hey Kickstart. Back again for a clarification. Would I be correct in
assuming the above is for FL's and that trannies from Dyna's don't
apply, regardless of the year?

Anyway, it would appear that the gear set taken out of Bob Mann's '04
FL would do the trick then (so long as my tranny case isn't damaged),
huh?

Hey Bob! What are ya drinkin'?

"Road Glidin' Don" <d.langkd@gmail.com> wrote in
news:e61ff56b-000e-4123-a349-3c4d5c688d4b@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com:

> On Oct 22, 7:03*am, Bob Mann <bobm...@mtsremove.net> wrote:
>> langkd_NO_S...@shaw.ca (Road Glidin' Don) wrote in
>> news:48feb596.17215995 @shawnews.ed.shawcable.net:
>>
>> > BTW, the prices I'm hearing about here in Edmonton seem about
>> > double those I've heard here. *Looks like about $1,300 for just the
>> > gear assembly and about $2,800 for an entire HD transmission.
>> > *Ouch.
>>
>> Will a 2004 FL gear set fit?
>
> Hmmm. You know, now that you and Skooter mention it, I've got to
> figure that angle out. I was just on the phone, trying to get a hold
> of some people who might know what range of years and models have
> trannys that will fit my bike. Haven't got an answer yet (maybe
> someone here knows?).
>
> We also have the semi-annual swap meet taking place this Saturday, so
> I should get this figured out for then too.
>
> Did you upgrade your '04 to a six-speed, Bob?
>
>
>

Yes.
I think the gear set from the 5 speed is still at work and it does belong
to me so I should get it and bring it home.

--
Bob Mann

Cap'n, ah need moor pow'r.

"Road Glidin' Don" <d.langkd@gmail.com> wrote in
news:946ae8e3-3985-4b9e-9c3c-6336d44de995@v22g2000pro.googlegroups.com:

> On Oct 22, 7:03*am, Bob Mann <bobm...@mtsremove.net> wrote:
>> langkd_NO_S...@shaw.ca (Road Glidin' Don) wrote in
>> news:48feb596.17215995 @shawnews.ed.shawcable.net:
>>
>> > BTW, the prices I'm hearing about here in Edmonton seem about
>> > double those I've heard here. *Looks like about $1,300 for just the
>> > gear assembly and about