the pic finally made it across the street, stable addition

On Aug 20, 8:45*am, m...@nospam.com wrote:
> the pic finally made it across the street, stable addition

1961 or 1962? (if my memory serves, and the tanks are original) If it
is, does it Still have the stock dual point /single fire igniton? Good
luck wit that. That's a PITA to get spot on, as I remember from my H-D
repairin' daze!
Looks to be a fine piece of machinery. Congratulations!
--Sarge

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:21:59 -0700 (PDT), Sarge <sargehere@cfl.rr.com>
wrote:

>On Aug 20, 8:45*am, m...@nospam.com wrote:
>> the pic finally made it across the street, stable addition
>
>1961 or 1962? (if my memory serves, and the tanks are original) If it
>is, does it Still have the stock dual point /single fire igniton? Good
>luck wit that. That's a PITA to get spot on, as I remember from my H-D
>repairin' daze!


'61, yes it is dual point (1st year) , and they are easy to get
right, it;s actually single fire, so think of it like it is and it all
makes sense, its a 1st kick bike now. for today anyhow <g>

>Looks to be a fine piece of machinery. Congratulations!

pics make her look prettier than she is trust me! went through t he
rear brakes and hub yesterday, got the floor boards mounted on it and
stock exhaust on it yesterday, took it for a few more rides around,
got to go through he clutches and primary system to be sure it;s
oiling correctly, fix a few oil leaks do front brakes and hub and find
what else it needs to make it where I will take it for a good ride
thinking EOY SS1k on it should about find the rest of the issues
<grin>

>--Sarge

On Aug 21, 8:38*am, m...@nospam.com wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:21:59 -0700 (PDT), Sarge <sargeh...@cfl.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Aug 20, 8:45*am, m...@nospam.com wrote:
> >> the pic finally made it across the street, stable addition
>
> >1961 or 1962? (if my memory serves, and the tanks are original) *If it
> >is, does it Still have the stock dual point /single fire igniton? Good
> >luck wit that. That's a PITA to get spot on, as I remember from my H-D
> >repairin' daze!
>
> '61, yes it is dual point (1st year) , and they are *easy to get
> right, it;s actually single fire, so think of it like it is and it all
> makes sense, *its a 1st kick bike now. for today anyhow <g>
>
> >Looks to be a fine piece of machinery. Congratulations!
>
> pics make her look prettier than she is trust me! * went through t he
> rear brakes and hub yesterday, got the floor boards mounted on it *and
> stock exhaust on it yesterday, *took it for a few more rides around,
> got to go through he clutches and primary system to be sure it;s
> oiling correctly, fix a few oil leaks do front brakes and hub and find
> what else it needs to make it where I will take it for a good ride
> thinking EOY *SS1k on it should about find the rest of the issues
> <grin>
>
>
>
> >--Sarge- Hide quoted text -
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While Eye wuz lyin' there in the grave, (Eye hadn't much else to think
about as I passed the time before Lord DP resurrected me) I remembered
what it was that make the single fire/twin-point circuit breakers a
two-year-only feature on '61-'62 Big Twins. (They didn't even last as
long as the Camelot White House!).

Imagine a two-cylinder engine with one cylinder firing 5 degrees
before the other one, or 5 degrees after.

Put a few miles (maybe you won't, if it's to be a restoration, babied
and subjected to few miles) on yours, and that's what you've got.
Ping? Early ignition? one early, and one late? It's all in the ball
park of possibility.
The two sets of identical-going-in points are completely
independent, and points' wipers wear inconsistently, and the points
themselves wear inconsistent to each other. That was Harley
Engineering's basic mistake. It took um a bit to figure out, but they
did: After a while, one point set closes a leetle sooner than the
other, one burns a leetle funny, in comparison to the other, and then,
there are two independent condensers, each acting in their own way.

Hard run twin point bikes soon came back in to dealerships for repairs
with all kinds of burned and scorched, slapping pistons and valves
and rod knock and big ends that'd not survived some of the weirdest
assymetrical combustion cycle-timing that could be imposed upon a
running motor.
You'll notice that all modern single-fire systems to it with a fixed
ignition point, so such timing weirdness can't occur.

Most all owners of the twin point bikes finally gave up andjust pulled
the whole assemblies out, with their uniquely-shaped point cams, and
replaced their two coils with one twin-lead one, and dropped in newer
or older single-point and wasted-spark circuit breaker.
Depends on how much you want to ride it, and how much a stickler you
are for "historical accuracy." Either way, it's pretty much a whole
new experience. Goo' Luck! Just my humble offering.
--Lazarus
I mean, --Sarge, BS#109, SENS

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:00:11 -0700 (PDT), Sarge <sargehere@cfl.rr.com>
wrote:
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>
>While Eye wuz lyin' there in the grave, (Eye hadn't much else to think
>about as I passed the time before Lord DP resurrected me) I remembered
>what it was that make the single fire/twin-point circuit breakers a
>two-year-only feature on '61-'62 Big Twins. (They didn't even last as
>long as the Camelot White House!).
>
>Imagine a two-cylinder engine with one cylinder firing 5 degrees
>before the other one, or 5 degrees after.
>
>Put a few miles (maybe you won't, if it's to be a restoration, babied
>and subjected to few miles) on yours, and that's what you've got.
>Ping? Early ignition? one early, and one late? It's all in the ball
>park of possibility.
>The two sets of identical-going-in points are completely
>independent, and points' wipers wear inconsistently, and the points
>themselves wear inconsistent to each other. That was Harley
>Engineering's basic mistake. It took um a bit to figure out, but they
>did: After a while, one point set closes a leetle sooner than the
>other, one burns a leetle funny, in comparison to the other, and then,
>there are two independent condensers, each acting in their own way.
>
>Hard run twin point bikes soon came back in to dealerships for repairs
>with all kinds of burned and scorched, slapping pistons and valves
>and rod knock and big ends that'd not survived some of the weirdest
>assymetrical combustion cycle-timing that could be imposed upon a
>running motor.
>You'll notice that all modern single-fire systems to it with a fixed
>ignition point, so such timing weirdness can't occur.
>
>Most all owners of the twin point bikes finally gave up andjust pulled
>the whole assemblies out, with their uniquely-shaped point cams, and
>replaced their two coils with one twin-lead one, and dropped in newer
>or older single-point and wasted-spark circuit breaker.
>Depends on how much you want to ride it, and how much a stickler you
>are for "historical accuracy." Either way, it's pretty much a whole
>new experience. Goo' Luck! Just my humble offering.

been here and done that before, it'll be ok, when I decide to update
one it will be to electronic anyhow



>--Lazarus
>I mean, --Sarge, BS#109, SENS

> been here and done that before, it'll be ok, when I decide to update
> one it will be to electronic anyhow
>
>
>
> >--Lazarus
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I picked up a dual point dist years ago for my 52
I had planned on making a single fire ignition using the dual points -
1 fer each cyl
Never did put it together, sold the dist a few years later
I guess they are pretty rare by now, eh ?
I ended up just running the stock points Butt I kept blowing
condensors (not penguins).
I started running 2 condensors and never had another go out

kickstart

On Aug 23, 7:58*pm, kickstart <kickstart...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > been here and done that before, it'll be ok, when I decide to update
> > one it will be to electronic anyhow
>
> > >--Lazarus
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>
> I picked up a dual point dist years ago for my 52
> I had planned on making a single fire ignition using the dual points -
> 1 fer each cyl
> Never did put it together, sold the dist a few years later
> I guess they are pretty rare by now, eh ?
> I ended up just running the stock points Butt I kept blowing
> condensors (not penguins).
> I started running 2 condensors and never had another go out
>
> kickstart

They're not common, but still show up at swap meets occasionally.For
the two-years-only experiment, 'dual-point timer' is the "kerrect"
term, since there is no rotor, it's no "distributor," tho many people
call any thing that contains the ignition the points the,
'distributor,' pre-1970s. Harley called it the 'timer."
Indian used a rotor, and had an actual single-fire distributor, in
those daze. And there was a true distributor for H-Ds; that was an
aftermarket (post-war) drop-in that was called the "POOL." That had
cast alum. cap that had three cables in-a-row coming out of the top,
like the Indians: one in the center from the coil and two for the
spark plugs. They're as rare as hen's teeth.
To me, he only thing wrong with the new "electronics" is that once
they fry, the're gone. You'd better have another one in your
saddlebag, after fixing whatever caused the one to fry in first place,
or you're not going anywhere. Points you can usually fix with the ol'
lady's emery board, a screwdriver, a spare taillight bulb and a piece
of wire. Two business cards' thickness is a pretty close .022 gap. I'm
just old fashiioned.
--Sarge, BS#109, SENS

On 2008-08-23 16:58:40 -0700, kickstart <kickstart257@gmail.com> said:

> Butt I kept blowing
> condensors (not penguins).

I'd never suspect you of trying to steal Nathan's job!
I heard he moved on to baby seals as well.......

Points are for fiddlers.
What, does anyone carry a timing light with them?
Setting the timing by ear might be OK for some.
Put some compression in it and lean it out a bit and see how far you get.......
--
Ryder Rick
< >

On Aug 24, 1:40*pm, Ryder Rick <rickb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What, does anyone carry a timing light with them?
> Setting the timing by ear might be OK for some.
> Put some compression in it and lean it out a bit and see how far you get........
> --
> Ryder Rick
> < *>
Rick,
That's what the spare tail light bulb is for. You can static time your
bike with a taillight bulb and one piece of wire, and go far on that,
after gapping the points with two business cards' thickness, by the
side of the road.Melted electronics are a pile of worthless plastic
after they get zapped by an errant charge or something.
But you won't read this, if you ploinked Sarge as beneath your
attention for confusing Slugs and Scum a while back. RIP! I love
people who make snap decisions to cut off their noses to spite their
faces.
--BS#109, SENS

Sarge wrote:
> On Aug 24, 1:40 pm, Ryder Rick <rickb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> What, does anyone carry a timing light with them?
>> Setting the timing by ear might be OK for some.
>> Put some compression in it and lean it out a bit and see how far you get.......
>> --
>> Ryder Rick
>> < >
> Rick,
> That's what the spare tail light bulb is for. You can static time your
> bike with a taillight bulb and one piece of wire, and go far on that,
> after gapping the points with two business cards' thickness, by the
> side of the road.Melted electronics are a pile of worthless plastic
> after they get zapped by an errant charge or something.
> But you won't read this, if you ploinked Sarge as beneath your
> attention for confusing Slugs and Scum a while back. RIP! I love
> people who make snap decisions to cut off their noses to spite their
> faces.
> --BS#109, SENS

I haven't seen you in years, but I don't recall you being this big a
dick IRL.

Something in your life changed? Sorry to see it happen.
--
spunky hussein BetYouDon'tThinkIMeanItButIDo tuna

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I believe it.I just don't believe in ploinkin' ennybody. Everyone has
something to contribute. The one you think is a dick today might say
something that saves your life tomorrow.
Sarge

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:51:31 -0700 (PDT), Sarge <sargehere@cfl.rr.com>
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>I believe it.I just don't believe in ploinkin' ennybody. Everyone has
>something to contribute. The one you think is a dick today might say
>something that saves your life tomorrow.

I used to feel that way in this place, (well not put like you did but
that really makes a good point) I just didn't; see the sense in the
kill file thing, but they won, I use a killfile these days

>Sarge

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:15:44 -0700 (PDT), Sarge <sargehere@cfl.rr.com>
wrote:

>On Aug 24, 1:40*pm, Ryder Rick <rickb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> What, does anyone carry a timing light with them?
>> Setting the timing by ear might be OK for some.
>> Put some compression in it and lean it out a bit and see how far you get.......
>> --
>> Ryder Rick
>> < *>
>Rick,
>That's what the spare tail light bulb is for. You can static time your
>bike with a taillight bulb and one piece of wire, and go far on that,
>after gapping the points with two business cards' thickness, by the
>side of the road.

Used to static time th' Knuck with an am radio placed near th' points.
Put th' dial between stations and when th' points just start to open
it makes an audible *pop* in Mr. Radio. Set th' points there and I'll
betcha it'll be dead nuts on with a timing light. It's an old racers
trick I learned from Chet Herbert.

>Melted electronics are a pile of worthless plastic
>after they get zapped by an errant charge or something.

To each his own, eh. I call a breakdown *opportunity*. Yer gonna
meet some new friends and have a brandy new story to tell around th'
lie pit <g>.

>But you won't read this, if you ploinked Sarge as beneath your
>attention for confusing Slugs and Scum a while back. RIP! I love
>people who make snap decisions to cut off their noses to spite their
>faces.

Methinks yer gettin' senile, Sarge. Just what exactly did you base
that conclusion on anyway? I doubt Ryder Rick ploinked you for any
reason, let alone that pile of hogwash. Matter of fact he didn't say
anything *remotely* close to that above. Nuthin'. Where in th' hell
do you get this stuff from? Chill out.

Snarl... sheesh