oasysco wrote:
> There were some posts here just recently about watching for vehicles
> approaching from behind. To drive the importance of that home, this
> happened at the beginning of March. The victim was the president of
> the only Honda Riders group i my area. He was 61 and rode a GW. The
> accident occured in FLA. As traffic approached a slowdown due to a
> construction zone, a lady behind him never slowed down, plowing into
> the rear of his mc, ejecting and killing him and injuring 6 others.

LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!


>
> Sad on any number of fronts... 20 year NAVY vet, due to retire this
> summer from civilian service, wife left behind.
>
> http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/l...storyid=103620
>
> The threads here mentioned folks never looking in the rear view
> mirrors when stopped, instead resting feet on the ground just looking
> around.
>
> That's damn good adivce - look in the rearview mirrors as part of your
> constant scanning whether you are moving or at a standstill. As they
> teach in the MSF, keep it in gear and be ready to take off if you see
> something coming.
>
> That said, I have a problem with the small mirrors on bikes being able
> to tell if a vehicle approaching from the rear is going to hit me.
> It's hard to gauge their approach speed and distance. Any ideas you
> guys can offer in that respect would be helpful to all of us.
>
> Greg

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:47:16 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
<theprof@jonez.net> wrote:

>oasysco wrote:
>> There were some posts here just recently about watching for vehicles
>> approaching from behind. To drive the importance of that home, this
>> happened at the beginning of March. The victim was the president of
>> the only Honda Riders group i my area. He was 61 and rode a GW. The
>> accident occured in FLA. As traffic approached a slowdown due to a
>> construction zone, a lady behind him never slowed down, plowing into
>> the rear of his mc, ejecting and killing him and injuring 6 others.
>
>LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!
>
that is a MYTH!



Trailers Are for Boats

www.bikershut.net -

"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote in message
news:65mtdsF2gucssU1@mid.individual.net...
> oasysco wrote:
>> There were some posts here just recently about watching for vehicles
>> approaching from behind. To drive the importance of that home, this
>> happened at the beginning of March. The victim was the president of
>> the only Honda Riders group i my area. He was 61 and rode a GW. The
>> accident occured in FLA. As traffic approached a slowdown due to a
>> construction zone, a lady behind him never slowed down, plowing into
>> the rear of his mc, ejecting and killing him and injuring 6 others.
>
> LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!

And how do you know the driver of the vehicle isn't deaf?




--
Beav

VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19

In article <B1vJj.24353$Re3.7323@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, Beav wrote:
>
>"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote in message
>news:65mtdsF2gucssU1@mid.individual.net...
>> oasysco wrote:
>>> There were some posts here just recently about watching for vehicles
>>> approaching from behind. To drive the importance of that home, this
>>> happened at the beginning of March. The victim was the president of
>>> the only Honda Riders group i my area. He was 61 and rode a GW. The
>>> accident occured in FLA. As traffic approached a slowdown due to a
>>> construction zone, a lady behind him never slowed down, plowing into
>>> the rear of his mc, ejecting and killing him and injuring 6 others.
>>
>> LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!
>
>And how do you know the driver of the vehicle isn't deaf?

Maybe it was loud pipes that made him unaware of the vehicle approaching
from behind him? Never quite understood why motorcyclists would want to
make it more difficult to hear what was around them.

Brent P wrote:

> In article <B1vJj.24353$Re3.7323@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, Beav wrote:
> >
> >"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote in message
> > news:65mtdsF2gucssU1@mid.individual.net...
> >> oasysco wrote:
> >>> There were some posts here just recently about watching for
> vehicles >>> approaching from behind. To drive the importance of that
> home, this >>> happened at the beginning of March. The victim was the
> president of >>> the only Honda Riders group i my area. He was 61 and
> rode a GW. The >>> accident occured in FLA. As traffic approached a
> slowdown due to a >>> construction zone, a lady behind him never
> slowed down, plowing into >>> the rear of his mc, ejecting and
> killing him and injuring 6 others.
> > >
> >> LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!
> >
> > And how do you know the driver of the vehicle isn't deaf?
>
> Maybe it was loud pipes that made him unaware of the vehicle
> approaching from behind him? Never quite understood why
> motorcyclists would want to make it more difficult to hear what was
> around them.

Hear what? The gentle tinkle of church bells ringing, the wistful sighs
of schoolgirls as they see leather clad bikers going by?



--
Lozzo
Suzuki SV650S K5
Honda CBR600 FW trackbike
Yamaha SR250 Spazz-Trakka
Suzuki GSXR750 L
Suzuki TS50X
Suzuki TS50X

Brent P wrote:

> In article <B1vJj.24353$Re3.7323@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, Beav wrote:
>
>>"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote :snip


POOFTER Jonez is a not so well known homosexual that lives in Canada
after escaping the USA for felony child abuse.
However, he IS a WELL KNOWN retard on USENET.

"Beav" <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote in message
news:B1vJj.24353$Re3.7323@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>
> "_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote in message
> news:65mtdsF2gucssU1@mid.individual.net...
>> oasysco wrote:
>>> There were some posts here just recently about watching for vehicles
>>> approaching from behind. To drive the importance of that home, this
>>> happened at the beginning of March. The victim was the president of
>>> the only Honda Riders group i my area. He was 61 and rode a GW. The
>>> accident occured in FLA. As traffic approached a slowdown due to a
>>> construction zone, a lady behind him never slowed down, plowing into
>>> the rear of his mc, ejecting and killing him and injuring 6 others.
>>
>> LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!
>
> And how do you know the driver of the vehicle isn't deaf?

As well as blind.


--
Dave
ex Motorcycle Maintenance Workshop
http://tinyurl.com/4mhaw

"Dave Emerson" <Dave_dot_Emerson@LineOne.net> wrote in message
news:ft60dj$pds$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> "Beav" <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote in message
> news:B1vJj.24353$Re3.7323@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> "_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote in message
>> news:65mtdsF2gucssU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> oasysco wrote:
>>>> There were some posts here just recently about watching for vehicles
>>>> approaching from behind. To drive the importance of that home, this
>>>> happened at the beginning of March. The victim was the president of
>>>> the only Honda Riders group i my area. He was 61 and rode a GW. The
>>>> accident occured in FLA. As traffic approached a slowdown due to a
>>>> construction zone, a lady behind him never slowed down, plowing into
>>>> the rear of his mc, ejecting and killing him and injuring 6 others.
>>>
>>> LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!
>>
>> And how do you know the driver of the vehicle isn't deaf?
>
> As well as blind.

That part is obvious.


--
Beav

VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19

"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote
>>As traffic approached a slowdown due to a
>> construction zone, a lady behind him never slowed down, plowing into
>> the rear of his mc, ejecting and killing him and injuring 6 others.
>
> LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!
>

Oh fuck you, shit for brains.

The loudest bike ever made is pretty much whisper quiet when decelerating,
as long as it's not backfiring.
Sometimes you're just in the wrong place at the wrong time and nothing will
save you.

In article <%JwJj.109$FF6.70@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>, Who Me? wrote:
>
>"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote
>>>As traffic approached a slowdown due to a
>>> construction zone, a lady behind him never slowed down, plowing into
>>> the rear of his mc, ejecting and killing him and injuring 6 others.
>>
>> LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!
>>
>
>Oh fuck you, shit for brains.
>
>The loudest bike ever made is pretty much whisper quiet when decelerating,
>as long as it's not backfiring.

Years ago I had a neighbor who's boyfriend would idle his motorcycle
outside early on saturday and sunday mornings. It was loud enough to
disturb my sleep.

"Who Me?" <hitchhiker@dont.panic> wrote in message
news:%JwJj.109$FF6.70@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net.. .
>
> "_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote
>>>As traffic approached a slowdown due to a
>>> construction zone, a lady behind him never slowed down, plowing into
>>> the rear of his mc, ejecting and killing him and injuring 6 others.
>>
>> LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!
>>
>
> Oh fuck you, shit for brains.
>
> The loudest bike ever made is pretty much whisper quiet when decelerating,
> as long as it's not backfiring.

I wouldn't go THAT far. My little 750 VN sounds like a Merlin with a fuck
off big prop on it when I throttle back.


--
Beav

VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19

Beav wrote:
> "_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote in message
> news:65mtdsF2gucssU1@mid.individual.net...
>> oasysco wrote:
>>> There were some posts here just recently about watching for vehicles
>>> approaching from behind. To drive the importance of that home, this
>>> happened at the beginning of March. The victim was the president of
>>> the only Honda Riders group i my area. He was 61 and rode a GW. The
>>> accident occured in FLA. As traffic approached a slowdown due to a
>>> construction zone, a lady behind him never slowed down, plowing into
>>> the rear of his mc, ejecting and killing him and injuring 6 others.
>>
>> LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!
>
> And how do you know the driver of the vehicle isn't deaf?

What ?

Who Me? wrote:
> "_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote
>>> As traffic approached a slowdown due to a
>>> construction zone, a lady behind him never slowed down, plowing into
>>> the rear of his mc, ejecting and killing him and injuring 6 others.
>>
>> LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!
>>
>
> Oh fuck you, shit for brains.
>
> The loudest bike ever made is pretty much whisper quiet when
> decelerating, as long as it's not backfiring.

You're lying again you lying jackass.

Who Me? wrote:

>"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote
>>>As traffic approached a slowdown due to a
>>> construction zone, a lady behind him never slowed down, plowing into
>>> the rear of his mc, ejecting and killing him and injuring 6 others.
>>
>> LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!
>>
>
>Oh fuck you, shit for brains.

I won't disagree with that.

>The loudest bike ever made is pretty much whisper quiet when decelerating,
>as long as it's not backfiring.

But I will disagree with this. Many vehicles are at their loudest when
decelerating by braking against compression.

>Sometimes you're just in the wrong place at the wrong time and nothing will
>save you.

And we are again in agreement,

--
================================================== ======================
Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make
| two, one and one make one."
mrkesti at hotmail dot com | - The Who, Bargain

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:09:21 GMT, "Beav"
<beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:

>
>"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote in message
>news:65mtdsF2gucssU1@mid.individual.net...
>> oasysco wrote:
>>> There were some posts here just recently about watching for vehicles
>>> approaching from behind. To drive the importance of that home, this
>>> happened at the beginning of March. The victim was the president of
>>> the only Honda Riders group i my area. He was 61 and rode a GW. The
>>> accident occured in FLA. As traffic approached a slowdown due to a
>>> construction zone, a lady behind him never slowed down, plowing into
>>> the rear of his mc, ejecting and killing him and injuring 6 others.
>>
>> LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!
>
>And how do you know the driver of the vehicle isn't deaf?

or some chick on her cell phone that the only attention getter was a
swift kick in the door, the noise from the bikes did nothing!

but one loud thump from a fellow that still had all his toes worked

Trailers Are for Boats

www.bikershut.net -

On Apr 4, 8:47*am, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
SNIP

> LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!

Yeah right and Phylis Shafly is pro-gay rights. lol, that old saw died
years ago and frankly it is still bullshit in my experience.
--
Keith S

"S'mee" <stevenkeith2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e931396a-e95b-402e-b6ba-36cf231e6217@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 4, 8:47 am, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
SNIP

> LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!

Yeah right and Phylis Shafly is pro-gay rights. lol, that old saw died
years ago and frankly it is still bullshit in my experience.
--
Keith S


-----------


Loud pipes DO save lives. While riding my brand new VN-800 with stock pipes,
folks would change lanes without being aware of my presence and would nearly
run me off the highway. With a set of V&H Cruzer pipes installed, that no
longer happens. I don't need a scientific study to demonstrate the
difference between quiet and loud. It is obvious to any fool that has ridden
their bike both ways. I miss the quiet. I do not miss the near misses with
autos and trucks.

Ed Cregger

Who Me? <hitchhiker@dont.panic> wrote:

> The loudest bike ever made is pretty much whisper quiet when decelerating,
> as long as it's not backfiring.

BRRRRUUUuummmm...BBBBBBAAAAAAAA.

Yeah, right.


--
BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Honda CB400F, SL125 & SH50
chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
"What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time
and hassle for no tangible benefit."

On Apr 4, 11:35*pm, "Ed Cregger" <ecreg...@bellsouff.net> wrote:
> "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e931396a-e95b-402e-b6ba-36cf231e6217@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 4, 8:47 am, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
> SNIP
>
> > LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!
>
> Yeah right and Phylis Shafly is pro-gay rights. lol, that old saw died
> years ago and frankly it is still bullshit in my experience.
> --
> Keith S
>
> -----------
>
> Loud pipes DO save lives. While riding my brand new VN-800 with stock pipes,
> folks would change lanes without being aware of my presence and would nearly
> run me off the highway. With a set of V&H Cruzer pipes installed, that no
> longer happens. I don't need a scientific study to demonstrate the
> difference between quiet and loud. It is obvious to any fool that has ridden
> their bike both ways. I miss the quiet. I do not miss the near misses with
> autos and trucks.

ED! How the heckj are ya, long time no type. But I disagree with
your assertation 100% as cages these days are so silent only thing
they hear from the outside is damned BNSF freight going by a crossing.
BTDT.

--
Keith S

"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote in message
news:65mtdsF2gucssU1@mid.individual.net...
> oasysco wrote:
>> There were some posts here just recently about watching for vehicles
>> approaching from behind. To drive the importance of that home, this
>> happened at the beginning of March. The victim was the president of
>> the only Honda Riders group i my area. He was 61 and rode a GW. The
>> accident occured in FLA. As traffic approached a slowdown due to a
>> construction zone, a lady behind him never slowed down, plowing into
>> the rear of his mc, ejecting and killing him and injuring 6 others.
>
> LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!

People who have loud pipes are just a bunch of immature children who like to
be the center of attention. Loud pipes do not make you safer, just annoying.
I have been tail-ended by a car that didn't see the car behind me. People do
not pay attention when driving. If bikers want to be safer they would light
their bikes like Xmas trees. But the bikers with loud pipes put as little
lights they can by law. Making themselves more invisible to outer driver and
making them less safe. I have watched my friends with loud pipes pass
traffic and watch the cars move to block them. So loud pipes piss off others
and make you less safe.

Buster

"Buster52" <buster52@pacbell.net> wrote
> People who have loud pipes are just a bunch of immature children who like
> to be the center of attention.

Loud pipes scare deer away. 'course y'all city kids wouldn't know that
<grin>.

Buster52 wrote:
>
> "_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote in message
> news:65mtdsF2gucssU1@mid.individual.net...
>> oasysco wrote:
>>> There were some posts here just recently about watching for vehicles
>>> approaching from behind. To drive the importance of that home, this
>>> happened at the beginning of March. The victim was the president of
>>> the only Honda Riders group i my area. He was 61 and rode a GW. The
>>> accident occured in FLA. As traffic approached a slowdown due to a
>>> construction zone, a lady behind him never slowed down, plowing into
>>> the rear of his mc, ejecting and killing him and injuring 6 others.
>>
>> LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!
>
> People who have loud pipes are just a bunch of immature children who
> like to be the center of attention. Loud pipes do not make you safer,
> just annoying. I have been tail-ended by a car that didn't see the car
> behind me. People do not pay attention when driving. If bikers want to
> be safer they would light their bikes like Xmas trees. But the bikers
> with loud pipes put as little lights they can by law. Making themselves
> more invisible to outer driver and making them less safe. I have watched
> my friends with loud pipes pass traffic and watch the cars move to block
> them. So loud pipes piss off others and make you less safe.

Do you practice such levels of ignorance and incoherence, or is it an
innate ability?
--
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In article <%0nTj.497312$ic2.320271@fe09.news.easynews.com> ,
Catman <catman@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote:

> Buster52 wrote:
> >
> > "_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote in message
> > news:65mtdsF2gucssU1@mid.individual.net...
> >> oasysco wrote:
> >>> There were some posts here just recently about watching for vehicles
> >>> approaching from behind. To drive the importance of that home, this
> >>> happened at the beginning of March. The victim was the president of
> >>> the only Honda Riders group i my area. He was 61 and rode a GW. The
> >>> accident occured in FLA. As traffic approached a slowdown due to a
> >>> construction zone, a lady behind him never slowed down, plowing into
> >>> the rear of his mc, ejecting and killing him and injuring 6 others.
> >>
> >> LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!
> >
> > People who have loud pipes are just a bunch of immature children who
> > like to be the center of attention. Loud pipes do not make you safer,
> > just annoying. I have been tail-ended by a car that didn't see the car
> > behind me. People do not pay attention when driving. If bikers want to
> > be safer they would light their bikes like Xmas trees. But the bikers
> > with loud pipes put as little lights they can by law. Making themselves
> > more invisible to outer driver and making them less safe. I have watched
> > my friends with loud pipes pass traffic and watch the cars move to block
> > them. So loud pipes piss off others and make you less safe.
>
> Do you practice such levels of ignorance and incoherence,
> or is it an innate ability?

Ooh! Look! You came up with two insults that alliterate! But the words
were inappropriately chosen. By the looks of it, Buster52 has an innate
ability to write informed and coherent posts. You, on the other hand,
had no facts on your side, so you were reduced to stupid insults. And so
quickly, too.

As for facts...

Loud pipes are annoying whether I'm riding or driving. And they're
ineffective because most of the noise is directed to the back of the
bike.

I recall one asshole biker who regularly rode down New Monthgomery and
then right on Howard. He would typically wrestle his way through dense
traffic, and if some car didn't get out of his way, he'd blip his
throttle and annoy a thousand people. It's that sort of rude, immature
behavior that makes people hate bikers.

I installed extra lights on my motorcycle ... nice bright LEDs, all
perfectly legal. I'm visible and conspicuous; cars tend to respect my
space more than they did before.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>
faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml
Ten Steps to Fascism: http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html

Catman wrote:

> Buster52 wrote:
> >
> >"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote in message
> news:65mtdsF2gucssU1@mid.individual.net...
> > > oasysco wrote:
> > > > There were some posts here just recently about watching for
> > > > vehicles approaching from behind. To drive the importance of
> > > > that home, this happened at the beginning of March. The victim
> > > > was the president of the only Honda Riders group i my area. He
> > > > was 61 and rode a GW. The accident occured in FLA. As traffic
> > > > approached a slowdown due to a construction zone, a lady behind
> > > > him never slowed down, plowing into the rear of his mc,
> > > > ejecting and killing him and injuring 6 others.
> > >
> > > LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!
> >
> > People who have loud pipes are just a bunch of immature children
> > who like to be the center of attention. Loud pipes do not make you
> > safer, just annoying. I have been tail-ended by a car that didn't
> > see the car behind me. People do not pay attention when driving.
> > If bikers want to be safer they would light their bikes like Xmas
> > trees. But the bikers with loud pipes put as little lights they
> > can by law. Making themselves more invisible to outer driver and
> > making them less safe. I have watched my friends with loud pipes
> > pass traffic and watch the cars move to block them. So loud pipes
> > piss off others and make you less safe.
>
> Do you practice such levels of ignorance and incoherence, or is it an
> innate ability?

Must be innate ability, I don't think anyone could practice to that
level.

--
John B

Timberwoof wrote:
> In article <%0nTj.497312$ic2.320271@fe09.news.easynews.com> ,
> Catman <catman@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Buster52 wrote:
>>> "_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote in message
>>> news:65mtdsF2gucssU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> oasysco wrote:
>>>>> There were some posts here just recently about watching for vehicles
>>>>> approaching from behind. To drive the importance of that home, this
>>>>> happened at the beginning of March. The victim was the president of
>>>>> the only Honda Riders group i my area. He was 61 and rode a GW. The
>>>>> accident occured in FLA. As traffic approached a slowdown due to a
>>>>> construction zone, a lady behind him never slowed down, plowing into
>>>>> the rear of his mc, ejecting and killing him and injuring 6 others.
>>>> LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!
>>> People who have loud pipes are just a bunch of immature children who
>>> like to be the center of attention. Loud pipes do not make you safer,
>>> just annoying. I have been tail-ended by a car that didn't see the car
>>> behind me. People do not pay attention when driving. If bikers want to
>>> be safer they would light their bikes like Xmas trees. But the bikers
>>> with loud pipes put as little lights they can by law. Making themselves
>>> more invisible to outer driver and making them less safe. I have watched
>>> my friends with loud pipes pass traffic and watch the cars move to block
>>> them. So loud pipes piss off others and make you less safe.
>> Do you practice such levels of ignorance and incoherence,
>> or is it an innate ability?
>
> Ooh! Look! You came up with two insults that alliterate! But the words
> were inappropriately chosen. By the looks of it, Buster52 has an innate
> ability to write informed and coherent posts. You, on the other hand,
> had no facts on your side, so you were reduced to stupid insults. And so
> quickly, too.

Come, come, Mr Woof. Read his post and try to comprehend what he
actually wrote:

'I have been tail-ended by a car that didn't see the car behind me.'

Must have been going at a *hell* of a speed.

'But the bikers with loud pipes put as little lights they can by law'

Ridiculous generalisation, as well as being awful English (and I should
know since mine is pretty rubbish)

'Making themselves more invisible to outer driver and making them less
safe.'

What is an 'outer driver' prey? And how can something me 'more' invisible?

Oh, and thanks for noting the alliteration. Given the US centric group
spectrum, I figured it would not be noticed.

> As for facts...
>
> Loud pipes are annoying whether I'm riding or driving. And they're
> ineffective because most of the noise is directed to the back of the
> bike.

Overly loud pipes, I agree, are annoying. Ineffective as what?

>
> I recall one asshole biker who regularly rode down New Monthgomery and
> then right on Howard. He would typically wrestle his way through dense
> traffic, and if some car didn't get out of his way, he'd blip his
> throttle and annoy a thousand people.

You counted?

>It's that sort of rude, immature
> behavior that makes people hate bikers.
>
> I installed extra lights on my motorcycle ... nice bright LEDs, all
> perfectly legal. I'm visible and conspicuous; cars tend to respect my
> space more than they did before.
>

Sounds like a sensible plan.


--
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116 Giulietta 3.0l Sprint 1.7 145 2.0 Cloverleaf 156 V6 2.5 S2
Triumph Sprint ST 1050: It's blue, see.
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Vito wrote:
> "Buster52" <buster52@pacbell.net> wrote some drivel
>> People who have loud pipes are just a bunch of immature children
> Loud pipes scare deer away. 'course y'all city kids wouldn't know that
> <grin>.

My observation is that loud pipes do scare deer, but not necessarily away. Deer seem
to have only a few modes- mating, mellow munching, traveling, and freeked out of
their tiny minds. In a lot of the vehicle-deer accidents around here, the deer run
into the vehicle. A local woman rider had one leap up and land on her gas tank by way
of the windshield.

Of course, city deer might be altogether different...

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In article <ewqTj.20$ek1.13@newsfe02.lga>,
Rand McNally <bmac.munge@munge.watshall.com> wrote:

> Vito wrote:
> > "Buster52" <buster52@pacbell.net> wrote some drivel
> >> People who have loud pipes are just a bunch of immature children
> > Loud pipes scare deer away. 'course y'all city kids wouldn't know that
> > <grin>.
>
> My observation is that loud pipes do scare deer, but not necessarily away.
> Deer seem
> to have only a few modes- mating, mellow munching, traveling, and freeked out
> of
> their tiny minds. In a lot of the vehicle-deer accidents around here, the
> deer run
> into the vehicle. A local woman rider had one leap up and land on her gas
> tank by way
> of the windshield.
>
> Of course, city deer might be altogether different...

Friggin rats on stilts....

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"Timberwoof" <timberwoof.spam@infernosoft.com> wrote
> Catman <catman@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote:
>> 'I have been tail-ended by a car that didn't see the car behind me.'
>>
>> Must have been going at a *hell* of a speed.
>
> You could ask for a clarification.

Perfectly clear to me. While waiting in the right (outside) lane with cages
on 3 sides and a guardrail close by on the right I heard tires shrieking
behind followed by crash, crash, crash, getting steadily closer. There's no
place to go or time to bail out! I tense up.. then CRASH! ... and , praise
the lord, it's in the other lane. First time I ever had my sphincter muscle
cramp.

"Beav" <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote
> I once approached a set of lights and there was a pedestrian on the
> central reservation trying to get across the road. As I changed down (with
> a VERY open piped bike) the ped stepped off the central res right into my
> path, but the noise (and it WAS noise) from the pipes jerked him out of
> his reverie and he lept back to safety before I had time to hit the horn
> button. .....

Similarly, but the ped was a tall young woman with a fluffball dog on a
leash. When I changed down the fluff panicked and ran, wrapping the leash
around her ankles and making her fall. I thot of stopping but thot the
better of it <g>.

Buster52 wrote:
>
> "_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote in message
> news:65mtdsF2gucssU1@mid.individual.net...
>> oasysco wrote:
>>> There were some posts here just recently about watching for vehicles
>>> approaching from behind. To drive the importance of that home, this
>>> happened at the beginning of March. The victim was the president of
>>> the only Honda Riders group i my area. He was 61 and rode a GW. The
>>> accident occured in FLA. As traffic approached a slowdown due to a
>>> construction zone, a lady behind him never slowed down, plowing into
>>> the rear of his mc, ejecting and killing him and injuring 6 others.
>>
>> LOUD Pipes could have saved his life!
>
> People who have loud pipes are just a bunch of immature children who
> like to be the center of attention. Loud pipes do not make you safer,
> just annoying. I have been tail-ended by a car that didn't see the car
> behind me. People do not pay attention when driving. If bikers want to
> be safer they would light their bikes like Xmas trees. But the bikers
> with loud pipes put as little lights they can by law. Making themselves
> more invisible to outer driver and making them less safe. I have watched
> my friends with loud pipes pass traffic and watch the cars move to block
> them. So loud pipes piss off others and make you less safe.
>

Loud pipes gain me measurably and noticeably more hp. I'm running
Rineharts on my Harley. On occasion, they seem to help people to the
realization that they need to get the fuck out of my way when I split
lanes, and maybe once somebody reconsidered their left turning decision,
but it doesn't guarantee anything. People who ignore large men on 650
lb. motorcycles can ignore the noises they make, too. OTH, I even find
my bike unpleasant to listen to, and if I could find pipes that worked
as well or better and wouldn't generate so much racket, I'd probably
install them.