I just got an exorbitant bail bill (about $900 US) for the last
citation
(failure to stop at a stop sign and lack of insurance paperwork on
hand).
If I get convicted would all of this amount
get converted into the fine or would one typically get any of that
back???
I think it costs about 3 times less to run a red light around here!!!
(in the norcal)

On Feb 4, 4:09*pm, isq...@gmail.com wrote:
> I just got an exorbitant bail bill (about $900 US) for the last
> citation
> (failure to stop at a stop sign and lack of insurance paperwork on
> hand).
> If I get convicted would all of this amount
> get converted into the fine or would one typically get any of that
> back???
> I think it costs about 3 times less to run a red light around here!!!
> (in the norcal)

Ask the judge. He's the only one that can answer that. Next time,
pay the ticket. It's much easier that way.

On Feb 4, 3:41 pm, sleazy rider <sleazyrider...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 4, 4:09 pm, isq...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > I just got an exorbitant bail bill (about $900 US) for the last
> > citation
> > (failure to stop at a stop sign and lack of insurance paperwork on
> > hand).
> > If I get convicted would all of this amount
> > get converted into the fine or would one typically get any of that
> > back???
> > I think it costs about 3 times less to run a red light around here!!!
> > (in the norcal)
>
> Ask the judge. He's the only one that can answer that. Next time,
> pay the ticket. It's much easier that way.

Isn't an option on the stub I received. I'll have to go to court
and given the treatment I got from the LEO at the time of the stop
I'll drag him to court also. 1.5 hour of his time = 6 or so tickets
not
written. If that condenscending fuck behaved I might have
settled.

isquat@gmail.com wrote:
> given the treatment I got from the LEO at the time of the stop
> I'll drag him to court also. 1.5 hour of his time = 6 or so tickets
> not written. If that condenscending fuck behaved I might have
> settled.

this sounds like it won't end well. let us know how it went once you make parole.

isquat@gmail.com wrote:

> I just got an exorbitant bail bill (about $900 US) for the last
> citation
> (failure to stop at a stop sign and lack of insurance paperwork on
> hand).
> If I get convicted would all of this amount
> get converted into the fine or would one typically get any of that
> back???
> I think it costs about 3 times less to run a red light around here!!!
> (in the norcal)

seems that it's a good way to make sure people don't forget to stop and always
remember to carry their proof of insurance. think how much a semester of college
would cost and you'd still not have learned those lessons.

<isquat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6c82e323-83bc-47f4-8978-c7f5833cb485@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>I just got an exorbitant bail bill (about $900 US) for the last
> citation
> (failure to stop at a stop sign and lack of insurance paperwork on
> hand).
> If I get convicted would all of this amount
> get converted into the fine or would one typically get any of that
> back???
> I think it costs about 3 times less to run a red light around here!!!
> (in the norcal)

Bail bond is ensurance that the accused will appear at his appointed court
hearing. You forfeit the bond if you fail to show. They have no further
claim to the bond when you do show. It is entirely unrelated to any fines,
costs, or penalties imposed by the court. You can ask for the bond to be
returned, and separately arrange for payment of the fines, etc. Any other
arrangement is likely illegal and unconstitutional. Imposing a fine requires
a finding of guilt. Requiring prepayment of a fine without due process
amounts to property seizure.

This is a lesson in English vocabulary, and is not to be construed as legal
advice.

On Feb 4, 2:51 pm, "MikeWhy" <boat042-nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <isq...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6c82e323-83bc-47f4-8978-c7f5833cb485@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I just got an exorbitant bail bill (about $900 US) for the last
> > citation
> > (failure to stop at a stop sign and lack of insurance paperwork on
> > hand).
> > If I get convicted would all of this amount
> > get converted into the fine or would one typically get any of that
> > back???
> > I think it costs about 3 times less to run a red light around here!!!
> > (in the norcal)
>
> Bail bond is ensurance that the accused will appear at his appointed court
> hearing. You forfeit the bond if you fail to show. They have no further
> claim to the bond when you do show. It is entirely unrelated to any fines,
> costs, or penalties imposed by the court. You can ask for the bond to be
> returned, and separately arrange for payment of the fines, etc. Any other
> arrangement is likely illegal and unconstitutional. Imposing a fine requires
> a finding of guilt. Requiring prepayment of a fine without due process
> amounts to property seizure.
>
> This is a lesson in English vocabulary, and is not to be construed as legal
> advice.

This explanation is plenty good. Thank you.

On Feb 4, 2:28 pm, "[none]" <n...@swbell.net> wrote:
> isq...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I just got an exorbitant bail bill (about $900 US) for the last
> > citation
> > (failure to stop at a stop sign and lack of insurance paperwork on
> > hand).
> > If I get convicted would all of this amount
> > get converted into the fine or would one typically get any of that
> > back???
> > I think it costs about 3 times less to run a red light around here!!!
> > (in the norcal)
>
> seems that it's a good way to make sure people don't forget to stop and always
> remember to carry their proof of insurance. think how much a semester of college
> would cost and you'd still not have learned those lessons.

The effect seems to be the opposite. If convicted people
are far more likely to blow by more stops to lower the cost
per blown stop. Once you have blown past about 100 or 200
there is some value in that citation cost spread over all the
unticketed
rolled stops since I consider that I paid my dues and now
can ignore the stop signs altogether whenever it's safe
and prudent (decided solely by me).

<isquat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6c82e323-83bc-47f4-8978-c7f5833cb485@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>I just got an exorbitant bail bill (about $900 US) for the last
> citation
> (failure to stop at a stop sign and lack of insurance paperwork on
> hand).
> If I get convicted would all of this amount
> get converted into the fine or would one typically get any of that
> back???
> I think it costs about 3 times less to run a red light around here!!!
> (in the norcal)

Traffic School?

T.

On Feb 4, 5:12 pm, "Thumper" <roadap...@unclewebster.com> wrote:
> <isq...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6c82e323-83bc-47f4-8978-c7f5833cb485@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I just got an exorbitant bail bill (about $900 US) for the last
> > citation
> > (failure to stop at a stop sign and lack of insurance paperwork on
> > hand).
> > If I get convicted would all of this amount
> > get converted into the fine or would one typically get any of that
> > back???
> > I think it costs about 3 times less to run a red light around here!!!
> > (in the norcal)
>
> Traffic School?
>
Not an option provided.

On Feb 4, 5:31 pm, Nobel Foundation <copernicus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <
> Listed below is the Web page of Lin Liangtai of Taipei, Taiwan.
>
> Lin is the only honest, courageous scientist/researcher on the face of
> the earth who has sought true answers about man's origin and ancestry
> over the past 27 years.
> <
> He has confirmed as fact the discoveries of a petrified human
> calvarium (a skull with the eye sockets broken off) and several other

I bet what was an ancient cop who has stopped the wrong carriage
with an intent to write it up for a failure to yield to a snail.
The attitudes were simpler and quicker with no courts
to go to. Few folk with a stone axe would quickly whack
some sense into (no matter how slight) disrespectful individuals.
Uniformed or otherwise.

isquat@gmail.com wrote:

> On Feb 4, 2:28 pm, "[none]" <n...@swbell.net> wrote:
>
>>isq...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>I just got an exorbitant bail bill (about $900 US) for the last
>>>citation
>>>(failure to stop at a stop sign and lack of insurance paperwork on
>>>hand).
>>>If I get convicted would all of this amount
>>>get converted into the fine or would one typically get any of that
>>>back???
>>>I think it costs about 3 times less to run a red light around here!!!
>>>(in the norcal)
>>
>>seems that it's a good way to make sure people don't forget to stop and always
>>remember to carry their proof of insurance. think how much a semester of college
>>would cost and you'd still not have learned those lessons.
>
>
> The effect seems to be the opposite. If convicted people
> are far more likely to blow by more stops to lower the cost
> per blown stop. Once you have blown past about 100 or 200
> there is some value in that citation cost spread over all the
> unticketed
> rolled stops since I consider that I paid my dues and now
> can ignore the stop signs altogether whenever it's safe
> and prudent (decided solely by me).

WTF are you smoking?

ignore it long enough and they'll send out special invitations, accompanied by
escorts, to your all-expense-paid vacation for 1.

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 14:21:45 -0800 (PST), isquat@gmail.com wrote:

>On Feb 4, 3:41 pm, sleazy rider <sleazyrider...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 4, 4:09 pm, isq...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > I just got an exorbitant bail bill (about $900 US) for the last
>> > citation
>> > (failure to stop at a stop sign and lack of insurance paperwork on
>> > hand).
>> > If I get convicted would all of this amount
>> > get converted into the fine or would one typically get any of that
>> > back???
>> > I think it costs about 3 times less to run a red light around here!!!
>> > (in the norcal)
>>
>> Ask the judge. He's the only one that can answer that. Next time,
>> pay the ticket. It's much easier that way.
>
>Isn't an option on the stub I received. I'll have to go to court
>and given the treatment I got from the LEO at the time of the stop
>I'll drag him to court also. 1.5 hour of his time = 6 or so tickets
>not
>written. If that condenscending fuck behaved I might have
>settled.

Yeah you tell the ungrateful fuck and make sure you carry this
attitude into court. You don't want that cocksucker cop to think he
has intimidated you.


--
See Ya On The Road

2000 Yamaha Venture Millennium
2004 HD Road King

On Feb 4, 1:09�pm, isq...@gmail.com wrote:
> I just got an exorbitant bail bill (about $900 US) for the last
> citation
> (failure to stop at a stop sign and lack of insurance paperwork on
> hand).
> If I get convicted would all of this amount
> get converted into the fine or would one typically get any of that
> back???
> I think it costs about 3 times less to run a red light around here!!!
> (in the norcal)

The judge has to follow rules concerning previous offenses and he also
has to charge a penalty assessment of something like 150% on each
offense you are convicted of, so it's entirely possible that all of
your $900 would be kept by the court.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d07/vc16029.htm

No Evidence of Financial Responsibility:Penalties
16029. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a violation of
subdivision (a) of Section 16028 is an infraction and shall be
punished as follows:

(a) Upon a first conviction, by a fine of not less than one hundred
dollars ($100) and not more than two hundred dollars ($200) , plus
penalty assessments .

(b) Upon a subsequent conviction, occurring within three years of a
prior conviction, by a fine of not less than two hundred dollars
($200) and not more than five hundred dollars ($500), plus penalty
assessments.

About the only thing I can advise you to do is "poor mouth" the court
clerk, telling her that there is just no way you can post $900 in
bail. The clerk will refer you to see the judge and the judge will
waive bail because every person charged has a right to reasonable
bail.

You can then plead not guilty and fight the case in court. If you get
convicted and the judge wants you to do community service in lieu of a
fine, the next step is to get a doctor's statement that you cannot
work out your fine, or prove that you earn so little money a fine is a
major hardship.

The courts may even allow you to make time payments of perhaps 10% of
the fine each month until it's paid off, but you pay interest on the
money.

They really don't want to lock you up for an infraction, they really
want the money for the city treasury.

<isquat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:30a195cf-1c65-4287-bc0b-0e710e49d549@q21g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 4, 3:41 pm, sleazy rider <sleazyrider...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 4, 4:09 pm, isq...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > I just got an exorbitant bail bill (about $900 US) for the last
>> > citation
>> > (failure to stop at a stop sign and lack of insurance paperwork on
>> > hand).
>> > If I get convicted would all of this amount
>> > get converted into the fine or would one typically get any of that
>> > back???
>> > I think it costs about 3 times less to run a red light around here!!!
>> > (in the norcal)
>>
>> Ask the judge. He's the only one that can answer that. Next time,
>> pay the ticket. It's much easier that way.
>
> Isn't an option on the stub I received. I'll have to go to court
> and given the treatment I got from the LEO at the time of the stop
> I'll drag him to court also. 1.5 hour of his time = 6 or so tickets
> not
> written. If that condenscending fuck behaved I might have
> settled.

Ouch. I did a California stop in California and got ticketed. It wasn't
that much as I recall. I imagine $500 to $750 of that must be failure to
have proof of insurance, no? A cop gave me a break on no proof a couple
years ago when I was sideswiped. I showed him my expired one and told him
my new one, which I had just received, was at home. Authority figures
have always tended to see me as an honest guy, and it's paid off over the
years. You might be able to get the judge to drop the failure to show
proof if you show up with proof that you in fact had insurance at the time
and beg for mercy. Consider taking a driver's safety class at DMV prior
to the hearing to show you intend for it all not to happen again. Don't
know if that will work, but it can't hurt.

Robert

<isquat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d33b7b67-9a95-47b7-95d7-48ca919c04cf@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 4, 5:12 pm, "Thumper" <roadap...@unclewebster.com> wrote:
>> <isq...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:6c82e323-83bc-47f4-8978-c7f5833cb485@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >I just got an exorbitant bail bill (about $900 US) for the last
>> > citation
>> > (failure to stop at a stop sign and lack of insurance paperwork on
>> > hand).
>> > If I get convicted would all of this amount
>> > get converted into the fine or would one typically get any of that
>> > back???
>> > I think it costs about 3 times less to run a red light around here!!!
>> > (in the norcal)
>>
>> Traffic School?
>>
> Not an option provided.


I HATE it when that happens.

Thumper

"." <RhiannonX@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b70abc9c-a631-40d4-b9b4-f9dde878ba7c@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 4, 1:09?pm, isq...@gmail.com wrote:
<snip>

>They really don't want to lock you up for an infraction, they really
>want the money for the city treasury.

We have a Bingo!

a high police presence is to deter speeders and scofflaws like isquat.

So, I was recently talking (as usual) to CHP and LA County Sherriff's
officers about their use of non laser radar.

Their trick now is to hide until a speeder passes, with radar turned off.
Then they will sneak up on the speeder and clock them. Then, just before
pulling them over they will "ping" them with their radar.

Also, the CHP is using barely marked cars now, so they can't be seen, even
on the highway. There was a white one next to be briefly, yesterday, while I
was driving my truck back from Vegas. No radar. I was at dead on 70 mph (the
speed limit at that point). I asked Cat if she saw him. She said not until I
pointed him out. It looked just like a plain white car to her.

Now what kind of a "deterrent" is that?

It's ALL about money in the Gov. treasury and the insurance company's
pockets, isn't it?


--
"Of course, you'll have the good taste not to mention that I posted this."


Thumper


"I don't want a pickle..."

http://www.thumpers-roadhouse.ws


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On Feb 4, 1:09 pm, isq...@gmail.com wrote:
> I just got an exorbitant bail bill (about $900 US) for the last
> citation
> (failure to stop at a stop sign and lack of insurance paperwork on
> hand).
> If I get convicted would all of this amount
> get converted into the fine or would one typically get any of that
> back???
> I think it costs about 3 times less to run a red light around here!!!
> (in the norcal)


If you didn't have insurance when you got the ticket
you better have it when you show up in court.

If you had insurance and just didn't have the info handy
that may make it better.

$900 for a blown stop sign sounds high.

$900 for somebody driving with no insurance sounds
fine by me. Way too many people doing that.

On Feb 5, 10:15�am, "Thumper" <roadap...@unclewebster.com> wrote:

> Also, the CHP is using barely marked cars now, so they can't be seen, even
> on the highway. There was a white one next to be briefly, yesterday, whileI
> was driving my truck back from Vegas.

CHP started using white stealth sporty cars with a very low light bar
about four years ago. I think they were Camaros.

> Now what kind of a "deterrent" is that?

They want to sneak up on truckers. Professional truckers are alert for
black and white units, but the white stealth cruiser can sneak up on a
speeding trucker and the
poor guy is looking at a serious fine.

I decided to take a cruise over to the Sierra Nevada foothills this
afternoon. Bald Eagles and Golden Eagles come down from the mountains
and hunt in the lower
elevations.

I saw one Bald Eagle and three Golden Eagles yesterday.

It was clear and bright and I could see snow covered trees on the
mountains twenty miles away.

So I'm cruising along at under 55 mph in a 55 mph zone watching for
eagles and hawks on the telephone poles, and a CHP black and white is
following me. There were like two cars on the road, me and Depitty
Dawg.

I had to wonder what was going through his mind. Did he think I was
going to forget he was following me, and start insanely speeding?

He turned around and went the other way, probably hoping to find a
distracted commuter...

<isquat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6c82e323-83bc-47f4-8978-c7f5833cb485@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>I just got an exorbitant bail bill (about $900 US) for the last
> citation
> (failure to stop at a stop sign and lack of insurance paperwork on
> hand).
> If I get convicted would all of this amount
> get converted into the fine or would one typically get any of that
> back???
> I think it costs about 3 times less to run a red light around here!!!
> (in the norcal)

This newsgroup seems to be inhabited by outlaws.

a)Why can't you people purchase insurance?

b)Why can't you people put the proof of insurance someplace safe? (I put
mine in an obscure pocket in my motorcycle jacket.)

c)Why can't you people drive approximately the speed limit?

d)Why can't you people approximately obey the traffic laws?

e)Why can't you people have respect for the safety of other human beings?
Everybody knows that when you run your bike into the bumper of an SUV,
you'll seriously injure the occupants of the SUV but walk away yourself
uninjured.

f)Why can't you people be polite to the police, thus decreasing the
probability of costly tickets?

g)Why can't you people be polite and contrite to the judges and court
employees, thus decreasing the probability of serious sanctions?

h)When you people have dug a hole for yourselves, why do you post your
whining to rec.motorcycles?

However, there is one point on which I agree with several posters. Many or
most tickets are about revenue rather than public safety. I got stopped for
speeding on I-94 in Dearborn, Michigan several years ago and got written a
ticket with about $100 fine and no points. I figured out from the "no
points" part the nature of the game. If they assigned points they would get
a lot of people protesting the matter in court. The message was "just write
us a check and there are no further complications". It was a tax of sorts.

--
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David T. Ashley wrote:
> <isquat@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6c82e323-83bc-47f4-8978-c7f5833cb485@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> I just got an exorbitant bail bill (about $900 US) for the last
>> citation
>> (failure to stop at a stop sign and lack of insurance paperwork on
>> hand).
>> If I get convicted would all of this amount
>> get converted into the fine or would one typically get any of that
>> back???
>> I think it costs about 3 times less to run a red light around here!!!
>> (in the norcal)
>
> This newsgroup seems to be inhabited by outlaws.
>
> a)Why can't you people purchase insurance?


'cos it's not compulsory here. It's legalised extortion!

>
> b)Why can't you people put the proof of insurance someplace safe? (I put
> mine in an obscure pocket in my motorcycle jacket.)
>
> c)Why can't you people drive approximately the speed limit?


Fun....pure and simple!



>
> d)Why can't you people approximately obey the traffic laws?


I'm more into worrying about the laws of physics. I don't want to hit
anything! Think of traffic laws as guidelines....Always stop at a red
light to make sure it's clear before running it, type of thing.


>
> e)Why can't you people have respect for the safety of other human beings?
> Everybody knows that when you run your bike into the bumper of an SUV,
> you'll seriously injure the occupants of the SUV but walk away yourself
> uninjured.


I have a cunning plan that does not involve running into an SUV. it's
more likely that an SUV will run into me, and thats a bit beyond my control.



>
> f)Why can't you people be polite to the police, thus decreasing the
> probability of costly tickets?


I'm sort of with you there. If they are nice, be nice. If the are heavy
handed, continue being polite and smile, it freaks them out. My last
ticket the cop asked if I wanted to see the radar readout to confirm the
speed. I replied "If you can't trust a cop, who can you trust" knowing
full well the top cop had recently been fired over historic rape
charges.....and kept smiling.



>
> g)Why can't you people be polite and contrite to the judges and court
> employees, thus decreasing the probability of serious sanctions?


The judge is always "Sir". Back to primal times, no eye contact. If
your'e guilty, just say so and be done with it.



>
> h)When you people have dug a hole for yourselves, why do you post your
> whining to rec.motorcycles?


because it's always the cops fault.......somehow.......in a roundabout way.


>
> However, there is one point on which I agree with several posters. Many or
> most tickets are about revenue rather than public safety. I got stopped for
> speeding on I-94 in Dearborn, Michigan several years ago and got written a
> ticket with about $100 fine and no points. I figured out from the "no
> points" part the nature of the game. If they assigned points they would get
> a lot of people protesting the matter in court. The message was "just write
> us a check and there are no further complications". It was a tax of sorts.
>

My ticket was when I was pulled over in the slow lane keeping up with
traffic. I was being passed by other vehicles in the outer two lanes ,
but i suppose it was easier to pull over me as I was closest to the edge
of the road. Fair cop, paid the fine.....three to go.......

On Feb 5, 8:06 pm, "David T. Ashley" <d...@e3ft.com> wrote:
>
> f)Why can't you people be polite to the police, thus decreasing the
> probability of costly tickets?

Though it may not be obvious from the style and wording of my posts
I was polite with the LEO. The problem was: the LEO was not polite
back.
He behaved in a fairly condescending manner and, therefore, I believe
that particular fuck deserves to die. And no, I rarely, if ever, run
into LEO like that so I don't claim that there is a lot of them on the
force.
Hopefully folk like that have short life expectancies.
But I keep running into them occasionally. When does
the open season start???

> g)Why can't you people be polite and contrite to the judges and court
> employees, thus decreasing the probability of serious sanctions?

You are assuming again? I haven't seen a single impolite fuck
in the courtroom today (that would include me). Some power freakiness
is expected on the part of the clerkin' officer's part but that's
beside the
politeness point.
The judge was quite a flirt dispatching the attending folk with an
efficiency
of a well oiled machine. I was amazed to see how long she would't run
out of steam. Eventually Luke run out of force but later in the
session
she picked up the tempo again. Anyhow, the bargaining went pretty
well.
I think the judge would make a good acting career
"Would you like to pay that now or in March" was borderline sexy.
The number of contested tickets was very, very, very low after
such a proposition :-)

> h)When you people have dug a hole for yourselves, why do you post your
> whining to rec.motorcycles?

You are talking about yourself I presume?

And to quote, just for you: "Assumption is the mother of all fuckups"

On Feb 5, 8:35�pm, isq...@gmail.com wrote:

> The judge was quite a flirt dispatching the attending folk with an
> efficiency
> of a well oiled machine. I was amazed to see how long she would't run
> out of steam. Eventually Luke run out of force but later in the
> session
> she picked up the tempo again. Anyhow, the bargaining went pretty
> well.
> I think the judge would make a good acting career

I was watching how contemptuously the judge handled the dockets last
time I went to traffic court. He would pick up the defendant's docket,
scan it briefly, take the plea, note it on the docket and then throw
it on the floor for the clerk in the pile of other discarded dockets
and let her sort them out.

Judges get very bored with traffic court. They hear the same lame
excuses every day and make the same explanations and they get tired of
it. They hope that somebody will make their day by coming up with a
story they've never heard before.

On Feb 5, 6:06�pm, "David T. Ashley" <d...@e3ft.com> wrote:

> This newsgroup seems to be inhabited by outlaws.

As there are an equal number of insufferable prigs, hosers, and utter
psychos infesting the group, I don't see how you can criticize the
normal riders.
>
> a)Why can't you people purchase insurance?

If you collect motorcycles or work on old bikes for your friends, it's
likely you'll be asked for proof of insurance on a regular basis., and
you won't have it.
>
> b)Why can't you people put the proof of insurance someplace safe? �(I put
> mine in an obscure pocket in my motorcycle jacket.)

Sometimes you get stopped right in front of your own house, by a
fascist prick in uniform as you're trying to get an old crock started.
It has happened to me more than once. Proper paperwork is the last
thing on my mind when I'm trying to get an old motorcycle to run long
enough to just ride around the block so I can see what it needs.
>
> c)Why can't you people drive approximately the speed limit?

Now, what fun could that possibly be?
>
> d)Why can't you people approximately obey the traffic laws?

Why should motorcycle riders be the only ones required to obey the
laws?
>
> e)Why can't you people have respect for the safety of other human beings?

We have as much respect for their safety as they have for ours, i.e.,
little or none.

> Everybody knows that when you run your bike into the bumper of an SUV,
> you'll seriously injure the occupants of the SUV but walk away yourself
> uninjured.

Was that an attempt at a joke? You need more practice.
>
> f)Why can't you people be polite to the police, thus decreasing the
> probability of costly tickets?

It's rather hard to be polite to a man armed with a pistol and a club
who is intruding upon your passionate relationship with your
motorbike.
>
> g)Why can't you people be polite and contrite to the judges and court
> employees, thus decreasing the probability of serious sanctions?

But the judges do love a spirited defense. Really, they do. It makes
their day to hear something they've never heard before.
>
> h)When you people have dug a hole for yourselves, why do you post your
> whining to rec.motorcycles?

Because that's what Reeky is for, ranting and raving and lost causes,
and the prudes and prigs will go to great effort to show no sympathy
for their fellow riders.
>
> However, there is one point on which I agree with several posters. �Many or
> most tickets are about revenue rather than public safety. �

Well, that proves you can learn a bit of what "traffic safety" is
really all about.

The other parts is about punished you and me for what somebody else
did. The cops cannot catch ALL offenders (some offenders died in the
accident), but they can round up innocent passersby and wreak
vengeance upon *them*, so the coffers of justice remain filled.

On Feb 4, 5:21*pm, isq...@gmail.com wrote:

> Isn't an option on the stub I received. I'll have to go to court
> and given the treatment I got from the LEO at the time of the stop
> I'll drag him to court also. 1.5 hour of his time = 6 or so tickets
> not
> written. If that condenscending fuck behaved I might have
> settled.

Oh, for fuck's sake. You were obviously doing something to attract
their attention and didn't have your proper paperwork. Now you get to
pay the piper. My son just came back from traffic court where he
manned up and took the hit for a c-note. He's 18, slid on some ice at
about 2 mph and bumped another car. Literally, no damage. Learn from
him and dig your wallet out, pay the fucking bill and learn how to
properly stop at signs and lights. Put your insurance papers in your
wallet along with the registration.

Go to court, whine like that and you're really gonna get slapped
around by a judge. They're totally fed up with the inane excuses and
crying about "I didn't do it". The officer was a meanie. Waaaaa!

On Feb 5, 7:39 pm, BrianNZ <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
> David T. Ashley wrote:
> > <isq...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:6c82e323-83bc-47f4-8978-c7f5833cb485@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >> I just got an exorbitant bail bill (about $900 US) for the last
> >> citation
> >> (failure to stop at a stop sign and lack of insurance paperwork on
> >> hand).
> >> If I get convicted would all of this amount
> >> get converted into the fine or would one typically get any of that
> >> back???
> >> I think it costs about 3 times less to run a red light around here!!!
> >> (in the norcal)
>
> > This newsgroup seems to be inhabited by outlaws.
>
> > a)Why can't you people purchase insurance?
>
> 'cos it's not compulsory here. It's legalised extortion!

That's the one part I really agree with. Uninsured motorists
really piss me off enough that I've been willing to wait for a cop
and go through the whole rigamarole that followed.

Insurance on your own bike is between you and your
lender. Liability insurance in case you hit or injure
somebody is just ordinary adult responsibility.

Maybe where you live, that stuff is covered out of a
common pool, but up here, liability is what fixes up damage
you do to others.

If somebody's knowingly unable to cover damage
they might do, throw the book at 'em, impound and sell
their frikkin vehicle and lift their frikkin license. That'd be
a good start anyway.

Did I mention how much uninsured motororists piss me off ?
Forgetting to carry proof of insurance that you already carry
is something I'd let slide if you can produce it in court.

On Feb 6, 1:36 pm, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 5, 7:39 pm, BrianNZ <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
>
> > David T. Ashley wrote:
> > > <isq...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >news:6c82e323-83bc-47f4-8978-c7f5833cb485@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > >> I just got an exorbitant bail bill (about $900 US) for the last
> > >> citation
> > >> (failure to stop at a stop sign and lack of insurance paperwork on
> > >> hand).
> > >> If I get convicted would all of this amount
> > >> get converted into the fine or would one typically get any of that
> > >> back???
> > >> I think it costs about 3 times less to run a red light around here!!!
> > >> (in the norcal)
>
> > > This newsgroup seems to be inhabited by outlaws.
>
> > > a)Why can't you people purchase insurance?
>
> > 'cos it's not compulsory here. It's legalised extortion!
>
> That's the one part I really agree with. Uninsured motorists
> really piss me off enough that I've been willing to wait for a cop
> and go through the whole rigamarole that followed.
>
> Insurance on your own bike is between you and your
> lender. Liability insurance in case you hit or injure
> somebody is just ordinary adult responsibility.
>
> Maybe where you live, that stuff is covered out of a
> common pool, but up here, liability is what fixes up damage
> you do to others.
>
> If somebody's knowingly unable to cover damage
> they might do, throw the book at 'em, impound and sell
> their frikkin vehicle and lift their frikkin license. That'd be
> a good start anyway.
>
> Did I mention how much uninsured motororists piss me off ?
> Forgetting to carry proof of insurance that you already carry
> is something I'd let slide if you can produce it in court.

Okay, to practice what you preach next time you buy a bike
make sure your first ride is to the insurance [broker].
Otherwise I'd enjoy a really good laugh if your
bike that you had for a few days get impounded and sold
just because you did not have enough time to shop for
insurance.
Good luck finding one open on weekend. I also hope
you are maintaining your bikes yourself, because if I were a bike
mechanic I would charge people like you triple to have your bikes
maintained in my garage and had a special surcharge to
ride them after the work was completed.

Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216128@aol.com> wrote:

> Maybe where you live, that stuff is covered out of a
> common pool, but up here, liability is what fixes up damage
> you do to others.

It is. NZ has a central no-fault compensation scheme, IIRC.


>
> If somebody's knowingly unable to cover damage
> they might do, throw the book at 'em, impound and sell
> their frikkin vehicle and lift their frikkin license. That'd be
> a good start anyway.
>
> Did I mention how much uninsured motororists piss me off ?
> Forgetting to carry proof of insurance that you already carry
> is something I'd let slide if you can produce it in court.

I agree with all of the above, living as I do in a society where it's
compulsory to have it, and a depressing number of twats don't.

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On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:44:03 -0800 (PST), isquat@gmail.com wrote:


>Okay, to practice what you preach next time you buy a bike
>make sure your first ride is to the insurance [broker].

No need to. Since I already own insured vehicles, my insurer
automatically covers any new vehicle I buy. I just have to give them a
call (within some time period, can't remember how long - a week or
so,) to add it to my policy officially.

--
Turby the Turbosurfer

On Feb 6, 12:04 pm, Turby <turbosur...@beach.comber> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:44:03 -0800 (PST), isq...@gmail.com wrote:
> >Okay, to practice what you preach next time you buy a bike
> >make sure your first ride is to the insurance [broker].
>
> No need to. Since I already own insured vehicles, my insurer
> automatically covers any new vehicle I buy. I just have to give them a
> call (within some time period, can't remember how long - a week or
> so,) to add it to my policy officially.

Sounds exactly like what I've been told. YMMV.

I always make that call right away, even if it's to
an answering machine.

On Feb 6, 11:44 am, isq...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 6, 1:36 pm, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com> wrote:

> Okay, to practice what you preach next time you buy a bike
> make sure your first ride is to the insurance [broker].

As others have mentioned, if you've already got
a policy, one phone call does the trick. If you don't,
it still doesn't hurt to line it up in advance.

> Good luck finding one open on weekend.

So how long had you been riding without insurance
when you got the ticket ?

> I also hope
> you are maintaining your bikes yourself, because if I were a bike
> mechanic I would charge people like you triple to have your bikes
> maintained in my garage and had a special surcharge to
> ride them after the work was completed.

Yep. Do my own maintenance. Since you're not a
mechanic, feel free to imagine anything you like.

Did I mention how I thinkl they should throw the book
at any irresponsible sh*t who rides around for
long periods of time without insurance ? $900 for a
first offence sounds fine by me.

Do yourself a favor and have insurance when you
show up in court. Or don't.