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Old 08-21-2008, 11:15 AM
Greg
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Hi,
After riding home last night and shutting off the engine, I noticed a
clicking sound in the rear wheel. After putting on a rear wheel
stand, the clicking occurred during wheel rotation in either
direction. I could feel the click with the hand used to turn the
wheel. I'm guessing a bad bearing, does this sound reasonable? Is
this common? I should mention that I dropped it 1,000 miles ago but
didn't notice any clicking noise until now. It's an 06 kawasaki
vulcan 500 with 5,000 miles on it.
Thanks,
Greg

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Old 08-21-2008, 05:14 PM
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On Aug 21, 3:15*am, Greg <gbann...@aol.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> After riding home last night and shutting off the engine, I noticed a
> clicking sound in the rear wheel. *After putting on a rear wheel
> stand, the clicking occurred during wheel rotation in either
> direction. *I could feel the click with the hand used to turn the
> wheel. *I'm guessing a bad bearing, does this sound reasonable? *Is
> this common? *I should mention that I dropped it 1,000 miles ago but
> didn't notice any clicking noise until now. *It's an 06 kawasaki
> vulcan 500 with 5,000 miles on it.
> Thanks,
> Greg


Sure it's not just chain noise?

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Old 08-21-2008, 05:56 PM
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On 21 Aug, 17:14, Rayvan <rvannul...@cachevision.com> wrote:
> On Aug 21, 3:15 am, Greg <gbann...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > After riding home last night and shutting off the engine, I noticed a
> > clicking sound in the rear wheel. After putting on a rear wheel
> > stand, the clicking occurred during wheel rotation in either
> > direction. I could feel the click with the hand used to turn the
> > wheel. I'm guessing a bad bearing, does this sound reasonable? Is
> > this common? I should mention that I dropped it 1,000 miles ago but
> > didn't notice any clicking noise until now. It's an 06 kawasaki
> > vulcan 500 with 5,000 miles on it.
> > Thanks,
> > Greg

>
> Sure it's not just chain noise?


That would be my first suspicion, too.

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Old 08-21-2008, 07:02 PM
Rob Kleinschmidt
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On Aug 21, 9:14 am, Rayvan <rvannul...@cachevision.com> wrote:
> On Aug 21, 3:15 am, Greg <gbann...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > After riding home last night and shutting off the engine, I noticed a
> > clicking sound in the rear wheel. After putting on a rear wheel
> > stand, the clicking occurred during wheel rotation in either
> > direction.


> Sure it's not just chain noise?


Easy first test. Remove the chain from the
sprocket and see. Might also be a brake
noise I suppose.

Does this noise occur at one particular
point in the wheel rotation ?

If in doubt, I'd definitely bring the wheel
in to a shop. Not a good idea to ride
for days or weeks while trying to figure
it out.

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Old 08-21-2008, 07:04 PM
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On Aug 21, 3:15�am, Greg <gbann...@aol.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> After riding home last night and shutting off the engine, I noticed a
> clicking sound in the rear wheel. �After putting on a rear wheel
> stand, the clicking occurred during wheel rotation in either
> direction. �I could feel the click with the hand used to turn the
> wheel. �I'm guessing a bad bearing, does this sound reasonable? �Is
> this common? �


Bearings don't make a clicking sound when a ball wears out, they make
an irregular grinding sound at first, then the grinding becomes
continuous.

When the front sprocket is really worn out, the tops of the individual
teeth are gone and the chain makes a clunking sound when you turn the
wheel forward or backward.

Loosening the chain makes the clunk go away temporarily, but it's not
safe to ride with a really loose chain.

Your click may be a broken spring on the rear brake shoes, or there
may be a lot of brake dust build up causing the shoes to stick a bit.

You should inspect your countershaft sprocket at least once a year if
you ride a lot. The 92200 safety washer under the nut that holds the
sprocket on is made of soft metal and it will fret and wear away and
the nut will loosen up.

You'll hear a tinkling noise if the front sprocket is loose.

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92200: WASHER

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Old 08-21-2008, 07:28 PM
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.. <RhiannonX@gmail.com> wrote:

> You should inspect your countershaft sprocket at least once a year if
> you ride a lot. The 92200 safety washer under the nut that holds the
> sprocket on is made of soft metal and it will fret and wear away and
> the nut will loosen up.


NO IT WON'T


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Old 08-21-2008, 08:46 PM
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"Greg" <gbannish@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> After riding home last night and shutting off the engine, I noticed a
> clicking sound in the rear wheel. After putting on a rear wheel
> stand, the clicking occurred during wheel rotation in either
> direction. I could feel the click with the hand used to turn the
> wheel. I'm guessing a bad bearing, does this sound reasonable? Is
> this common? I should mention that I dropped it 1,000 miles ago but
> didn't notice any clicking noise until now. It's an 06 kawasaki
> vulcan 500 with 5,000 miles on it.
> Thanks,
> Greg


Chain is too tight. Chain slack has to be evaluated with both tires on the
ground and driver on the seat (never with bike on center stand). Bad bearing
after 5.000 miles is very improbable.





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Old 08-21-2008, 09:55 PM
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:04:31 -0700 (PDT), "." <RhiannonX@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Aug 21, 3:15?am, Greg <gbann...@aol.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> After riding home last night and shutting off the engine, I noticed a
> clicking sound in the rear wheel. ?After putting on a rear wheel
> stand, the clicking occurred during wheel rotation in either
> direction. ?I could feel the click with the hand used to turn the
> wheel. ?I'm guessing a bad bearing, does this sound reasonable? ?Is
> this common? ?


A spun wheel bearing will tick, click at low speed. Spun means the
bearing may have frozen and outer portion of the bearing is now turning
in the hub where it was forced fit. If the bearing is trashed you may be
able to save the wheel using a filler/locking compound to seat and lock
the bearing in the enlarged hub. Ask a bearing house for the material.

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Old 08-21-2008, 10:11 PM
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On Aug 21, 1:55�pm, concho-vtx1...@earthstink.net wrote:

> A spun wheel bearing will tick, click at low speed. Spun means the
> bearing may have frozen and outer portion of the bearing is now turning
> in the hub where it was forced fit.


I've never seen a wheel bearing freeze up, mostly they start out with
a sloppy fit between the balls and races and get sloppier.

I have seen the outer races of ball bearings *creeping* slowly in
their housing as the shaft of the rotor they were support spun at
thousands of RPM.

Bearing creep at 50 RPM doesn't matter much in a wheel that's only
turning 1500 RPM max.

Roller bearings used to support crankshafts will have a dowel pin to
prevent creep, because creep might misalign low pressure oil
passages...

But the usual meaning of a "spun" bearing relates to solid metal
insert bearings in connecting rods and supporting crankshafts.

When an insert bearing "spins", it doesn't get very far. One bearing
insert gets drug around the bearing journal to the opposite side, and
the shaft
comes to a sudden stop.

When my Jaguar spun a rod bearing, I couldn't turn the crank with a
three-foot breaker bar...

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Old 08-22-2008, 02:33 AM
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Greg wrote:
>Hi,
>After riding home last night and shutting off the engine, I noticed a
>clicking sound in the rear wheel.


I just encountered the same problem at the end of a long (4K mile) road
trip. I was getting a clicking/clunking sound from the drivetrain at low
speeds. Nothing wrong at highway speed.

It turned out to be a link in the chain was binding. I tried adjusting
and lubing the chain on the side of the road, but it didn't go away. On
later inspection, an O-ring had failed on one of the rollers, causing the
lube to leak out. That link would stick as it came around the rear sprocket
and make a click as it seated into the teeth.

Can't complain, though. I got 23K miles out of the chain.

John

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Old 08-22-2008, 03:14 AM
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Default Re: clicking sound in rear wheel

Thanks everyone,

As most had suspected, this turned out to be a chain-related noise.
Following advice from Rob and others, I removed the chain off of the
rear wheel sprocket and the noise disappeared. After reattaching the
chain and then realigning, retensioning, and oiling, the chain noise
is now gone. If it comes back I'll check for bad o-rings.

Greg

PS- very interesting discussion on bearing failures!

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Old 08-23-2008, 11:00 PM
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:11:12 -0700 (PDT), "." <anoblewolf@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Aug 21, 1:55?pm, concho-vtx1...@earthstink.net wrote:
>
>> A spun wheel bearing will tick, click at low speed. Spun means the
>> bearing may have frozen and outer portion of the bearing is now turning
>> in the hub where it was forced fit.

>
>I've never seen a wheel bearing freeze up, mostly they start out with
>a sloppy fit between the balls and races and get sloppier.


You very well may have never seen it but I experienced it on my Goldwing
and it was referred to as a "spun bearing" by Honda's local warranty
claims representitive. I can only assume he knew his business.
Fortunately Honda honored the warranty with a brand new rear wheel.

Never be ashamed to learn something new.


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Old 08-23-2008, 11:34 PM
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On Aug 23, 3:00�pm, concho-vtx1...@earthstink.net wrote:

> You very well may have never seen it but I experienced it on my Goldwing
> and it was referred to as a "spun bearing" by Honda's local warranty
> claims representitive. I can only assume he knew his business.


Motorcycle customer reps *do not* impress me. I used to ride with
American Honda's top national customer rep and he bragged to me that
he hadn't even finished high school and he wanted to see how far he
could get without a HS diploma.



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Old 08-24-2008, 05:37 AM
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>>> A spun wheel bearing will tick, click at low speed. Spun means the
>>> bearing may have frozen and outer portion of the bearing is now turning
>>> in the hub where it was forced fit.

>>
>>I've never seen a wheel bearing freeze up, mostly they start out with
>>a sloppy fit between the balls and races and get sloppier.

>
> You very well may have never seen it but I experienced it on my Goldwing



You're both right. A bad bearing starts out loose and, if you're observant,
be fixed before it seizes. Left to get worse, the worn balls eventually
lock the two races together causing one or the other or both to spin,
damaging their seats. I've seen this on cage wheel bearings many times but
never on a bike.



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Old 08-24-2008, 07:37 AM
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"." <anoblewolf@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 23, 3:00?pm, concho-vtx1...@earthstink.net wrote:

> You very well may have never seen it but I experienced it on my Goldwing
> and it was referred to as a "spun bearing" by Honda's local warranty
> claims representitive. I can only assume he knew his business.


Motorcycle customer reps *do not* impress me. I used to ride with
American Honda's top national customer rep and he bragged to me that
he hadn't even finished high school and he wanted to see how far he
could get without a HS diploma.


Would you have been more impressed if he'd had a phd?

I wouldn't. I would think the reps ability to reach the top
national status, w/o finishing hs would be testimony to his
talent, perseverance, diligence, knowledge, or all four.






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Old 08-24-2008, 07:34 PM
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:37:25 -0500, "Anonymous" <com@com.com> wrote:

>
>"." <anoblewolf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:33c4760f-7a26-4ac1-90de-3327cdc5e473@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 23, 3:00?pm, concho-vtx1...@earthstink.net wrote:
>
>> You very well may have never seen it but I experienced it on my Goldwing
>> and it was referred to as a "spun bearing" by Honda's local warranty
>> claims representitive. I can only assume he knew his business.

>
>Motorcycle customer reps *do not* impress me. I used to ride with
>American Honda's top national customer rep and he bragged to me that
>he hadn't even finished high school and he wanted to see how far he
>could get without a HS diploma.
>
>
>Would you have been more impressed if he'd had a phd?
>
>I wouldn't. I would think the reps ability to reach the top
>national status, w/o finishing hs would be testimony to his
>talent, perseverance, diligence, knowledge, or all four.
>


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entirely uneducated.

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On Aug 23, 11:37�pm, "Anonymous" <c...@com.com> wrote:

> I wouldn't. I would think the reps ability to reach the top
> national status, w/o finishing hs would be testimony to his
> talent, perseverance, diligence, knowledge, or all four.


He was also very good at sucking up to the bosses...


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