hey, not more than a second after concluding my last issue ... i have
a new one! =) isn't usenet great?


i want to get pipes for my bike, mostly for the reason that i want to
*know* the guy riding along side me knows i'm there ... i don't care
if it's loud to the point of annoying, i want to be heard

when i ride i can do a fair job of looking ahead, and looking to the
sides, and typically i keep a good envelope of space between me and
the things that can kill me

BUT

just in the last week or so, probably influenced by how i ride my
bicycle, i find when i'm on my motorcycle i really just do my best to
go with the flow ... i'm not going to shoot ahead or fall behind
because there's a car near me (which i would do on the highway), i
just have to sort of sit there

so ... that's me getting pipes

and yes, they're cool

but HOW do i buy pipes?

i can think of two ways:

1. listen to pipes attached to the same model bike and pick one that
sounds good (real life, youtube, etc)

or

2. find the magical statistics and numbers that let me objectively
compare exhaust systems, figure out what the numbers mean, and get the
pipes that are objectively best suited to my needs based on how much i
want to spend



i've been googling a little bit but i can't seem to find any
"data" (assuming there is such a thing) ... am i missing something, or
is a pipe from v&h different from a pipe from a cobra pipe simply
because they're differently shaped and sized and that produces a
different sound (obviously) but that the "data" that i'm assuming
exists regarding how they will affect performance is just ... hidden?
not worth mentioning?


i'm hoping to spend $350

a buddy told me v&h straight shots are "obnoxiously loud and lovely"
so ... /shrug

(yes, i'll keep my stock ones)

thanks,

-c

On Mar 5, 7:16 pm, c <smalltalkingchic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hey, not more than a second after concluding my last issue ... i have
> a new one! =) isn't usenet great?
>
> i want to get pipes for my bike, mostly for the reason that i want to
> *know* the guy riding along side me knows i'm there ... i don't care
> if it's loud to the point of annoying, i want to be heard

Sorry, can't hear you: what????????
>
> when i ride i can do a fair job of looking ahead, and looking to the
> sides, and typically i keep a good envelope of space between me and
> the things that can kill me

Envelopes are good things and USPS loves them,
but I don't think they can prevent a killing.

>
> BUT
>
> just in the last week or so, probably influenced by how i ride my
> bicycle, i find when i'm on my motorcycle i really just do my best to
> go with the flow ... i'm not going to shoot ahead or fall behind
> because there's a car near me (which i would do on the highway), i
> just have to sort of sit there
>
in his blind spot... waiting to get splattered like a bug

> so ... that's me getting pipes
>
> and yes, they're cool

i think they are quite hot to the touch and can burn your hands much.
When you have your bike washed remember to carry that point
across to the kids: the pipes are extremely hot
unless they are on a 1:32 model and are made of modern day plastics.

> but HOW do i buy pipes?

A local dealer catering to the rice crowd would be happy to outfit
you with the pipe and other go fast shit

> i can think of two ways:
>
> 1. listen to pipes attached to the same model bike and pick one that
> sounds good (real life, youtube, etc)
>
> or
>
> 2. find the magical statistics and numbers that let me objectively
> compare exhaust systems, figure out what the numbers mean, and get the
> pipes that are objectively best suited to my needs based on how much i
> want to spend

those are the pipes that come bundled with the bike brand new off
the dealer's floor. Cost $0 extra

> i've been googling a little bit but i can't seem to find any
> "data" (assuming there is such a thing) ... am i missing something, or
> is a pipe from v&h different from a pipe from a cobra pipe simply
> because they're differently shaped and sized and that produces a
> different sound (obviously) but that the "data" that i'm assuming
> exists regarding how they will affect performance is just ... hidden?
> not worth mentioning?

It depends on how much the person doing the jetting fucks up.
You are not taking the carbs apart and slecting the proper needles,
are you?

> i'm hoping to spend $350

A drill and a set of bits cost considerably less.

> a buddy told me v&h straight shots are "obnoxiously loud and lovely"
> so ... /shrug

Can he still hear ya? What????

> (yes, i'll keep my stock ones)

Perforated

On Mar 5, 8:35 pm, osamahornifu...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 5, 7:16 pm, c <smalltalkingchic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > BUT
>
> > just in the last week or so, probably influenced by how i ride my
> > bicycle, i find when i'm on my motorcycle i really just do my best to
> > go with the flow ... i'm not going to shoot ahead or fall behind
> > because there's a car near me (which i would do on the highway), i
> > just have to sort of sit there
>
> in his blind spot... waiting to get splattered like a bug
>

no, next to the driver's window, typically

yes, capable of being splattered like a bug ... that's just how it is,
you either ride with people or you don't ride ... streets are small,
there's traffic, that's how it is, it's a city .... i take all the
space i can get, and we move slowly enough that it isn't anywhere near
as harrowing as driving on the new jersey turnpike with cell-phone
soccermoms doing 90 in whatever lane suits them best at any moment

(seriously)


> A local dealer catering to the rice crowd would be happy to outfit
> you with the pipe and other go fast shit
>

and being argumentative has lost its charm here

> > i'm hoping to spend $350
>
> A drill and a set of bits cost considerably less.
>

amidst the "don't buy pipes, you bastard" attitude, i lost whether or
not this was a real option ... i actually posted here asking about it
a long time ago and was lead to believe it would be a foolish thing to
do

thank you for pointing out that carb rejetting was required after
installing a new exhaust system, i didn't realize that

On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:16:31 -0800 (PST), c
<smalltalkingchicken@gmail.com> wrote:

>but HOW do i buy pipes?

What kind of bike?

Most dealers will order in aftermarket pipes.
--
Bob Mann

It may be that your sole purpose in life
is to serve as a warning to others.

c wrote:

> i want to get pipes for my bike, mostly for the reason that i want to
> *know* the guy riding along side me knows i'm there ... i don't care
> if it's loud to the point of annoying, i want to be heard

Fuck you.

--
'01 SV650SK1 '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13
OMF #7

On Mar 6, 4:25 am, Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:
> c wrote:
> > i want to get pipes for my bike, mostly for the reason that i want to
> > *know* the guy riding along side me knows i'm there ... i don't care
> > if it's loud to the point of annoying, i want to be heard
>
> Fuck you.
>
> --
> '01 SV650SK1 '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13
> OMF #7

i meant "heard" as in, the guy next to me, not 3 blocks away

really didn't think that was a "fuck-you-able" attitude

it's really, really loud where i ride - i'll take a video of my ride
sometime

On Mar 5, 11:17 pm, Bob Mann <B...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:16:31 -0800 (PST), c
>
> <smalltalkingchic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >but HOW do i buy pipes?
>
> What kind of bike?
>
> Most dealers will order in aftermarket pipes.
> --
> Bob Mann
>
> It may be that your sole purpose in life
> is to serve as a warning to others.

ha, i meant "how does one SHOP FOR aftermarket pipes" - my fault

precisely because of the "don't propegate our bad stereotype by having
asswipishly loud pipes" attitude *which i also share*, i want to know
if there's any way to get sound ratings for pipes so i can figure
what's an improvement over stock (guessing all of them?) and isn't the
kind that will make ya deaf

and

how that impacts performance


i found out about slip-on systems, which may not work for cruisers
(suzuki VL 800), but would be relatively simple, offer a small
performance increase, and not make me too loud (but loud enough - i'm
trying to be louder)

On Mar 5, 6:16*pm, c <smalltalkingchic...@gmail.com> wrote:
SNIP

> (yes, i'll keep my stock ones)
>
> thanks,


You answered your own question. If you aren't racing, don't own a bike
old enough you can't find a set of OEM pipes for LESS that $1,250usd.
Then there is absolutly no reason for aftermarket pipes.

Looks? Who cares, you can't see the damn things when you are riding
anyway. Sound? Quiet is best in my experience. Loud, just let's
everyone know you possible have self esteem issues or a little
dick(boobs if female) and likely an pisspoor social life.

Be smart like me and buy bike built in the era when there were no
quiet mufflers (compared to todays exhaust systems)
--
Keith S

"c" <smalltalkingchicken@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5200b502-c6ef-428b-97a0-6b23fd13ab73@x30g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> hey, not more than a second after concluding my last issue ... i have
> a new one! =) isn't usenet great?
>
>
> i want to get pipes for my bike, mostly for the reason that i want to
> *know* the guy riding along side me knows i'm there ... i don't care
> if it's loud to the point of annoying, i want to be heard
>
> when i ride i can do a fair job of looking ahead, and looking to the
> sides, and typically i keep a good envelope of space between me and
> the things that can kill me
>
> BUT
>
> just in the last week or so, probably influenced by how i ride my
> bicycle, i find when i'm on my motorcycle i really just do my best to
> go with the flow ... i'm not going to shoot ahead or fall behind
> because there's a car near me (which i would do on the highway), i
> just have to sort of sit there
>
> so ... that's me getting pipes
>
> and yes, they're cool
>
> but HOW do i buy pipes?
>
> i can think of two ways:
>
> 1. listen to pipes attached to the same model bike and pick one that
> sounds good (real life, youtube, etc)
>
> or
>
> 2. find the magical statistics and numbers that let me objectively
> compare exhaust systems, figure out what the numbers mean, and get the
> pipes that are objectively best suited to my needs based on how much i
> want to spend
>
>
>
> i've been googling a little bit but i can't seem to find any
> "data" (assuming there is such a thing) ... am i missing something, or
> is a pipe from v&h different from a pipe from a cobra pipe simply
> because they're differently shaped and sized and that produces a
> different sound (obviously) but that the "data" that i'm assuming
> exists regarding how they will affect performance is just ... hidden?
> not worth mentioning?
>
>
> i'm hoping to spend $350
>
> a buddy told me v&h straight shots are "obnoxiously loud and lovely"
> so ... /shrug
>
> (yes, i'll keep my stock ones)
>
> thanks,
>
> -c
>

Have lots of money
Rob Bank
Wait for rich person to die and leave you money
Steal a set from friend or someone else

On Mar 5, 7:49 pm, c <smalltalkingchic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> amidst the "don't buy pipes, you bastard" attitude, i lost whether or

I did not really say that.

> not this was a real option ... i actually posted here asking about it
> a long time ago and was lead to believe it would be a foolish thing to
> do
>
> thank you for pointing out that carb rejetting was required after
> installing a new exhaust system, i didn't realize that

I may not be required. You got a grand or two for a dyno run to
find out where the flat spots are introduced by a new fart can?

c wrote:
>i don't care
>if it's loud to the point of annoying, i want to be heard
>
If that's really the issue, have you considered buying a really loud horn?


John

--
Message posted via MotorcycleKB.com
http://www.motorcyclekb.com/Uwe/Foru.../bike/200803/1

On Mar 6, 10:05*am, c <smalltalkingchic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 6, 4:25 am, Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:
>
> > c wrote:
> > > i want to get pipes for my bike, mostly for the reason that i want to
> > > *know* the guy riding along side me knows i'm there ... i don't care
> > > if it's loud to the point of annoying, i want to be heard
>
> > Fuck you.
>
> > --
> > '01 SV650SK1 *'99 EX250-F13 *'98 ZG1000-A13
> > OMF #7
>
> i meant "heard" as in, the guy next to me, not 3 blocks away
>
> really didn't think that was a "fuck-you-able" attitude

I don't understand what part of "i don't care if it's loud to the
point of annoying, i want to be heard" made you think that you
wouldn't piss at least some people off.

From a safety standpoint, a purely passive option like loud pipes
pales in effectiveness compared to active safety measures, some of
which you have already touched on and many more of which can be
implemented without ever gettting to the point of being annoying.

Of course, for being both passive AND annoying (and perhaps even
occasionally, effective) it is hard to beat tapng the horn button down!

On Mar 6, 3:03 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor...@erols.com> wrote:
> Of course, for being both passive AND annoying (and perhaps even
> occasionally, effective) it is hard to beat tapng the horn button down!

(sheepishly) peeep! Could anyone hear that?

On Mar 6, 3:38 pm, "flynrider via MotorcycleKB.com" <u32749@uwe>
wrote:
> c wrote:
> >i don't care
> >if it's loud to the point of annoying, i want to be heard
>
> If that's really the issue, have you considered buying a really loud horn?
>
> John
>
> --
> Message posted via MotorcycleKB.comhttp://www.motorcyclekb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/bike/200803/1

i did, that was actually my first attempt ... there's a 90+ db horn
for only $100-something, but the thing is i can't honk at everyone all
the time ... that would get me shot

when i say pipes, i mean "i don't want the guy in the lane next to me
to forget i'm there" and "i don't want the person in front of me to
not know i'm behind him because no one ever looks before they pull out
into traffic"

and i also mean "i don't want to be the asshole whose bike shakes
teeth and makes babies cry"

On Mar 6, 11:48 am, osamahornifu...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 5, 7:49 pm, c <smalltalkingchic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > amidst the "don't buy pipes, you bastard" attitude, i lost whether or
>
> I did not really say that.
>

clearly, i was just conceding that my approach (in asking for advice
as i did) was flawed

> > not this was a real option ... i actually posted here asking about it
> > a long time ago and was lead to believe it would be a foolish thing to
> > do
>
> > thank you for pointing out that carb rejetting was required after
> > installing a new exhaust system, i didn't realize that
>
> I may not be required. You got a grand or two for a dyno run to
> find out where the flat spots are introduced by a new fart can?

i would post on a messageboard for people using my exact bike who got
the pipes i got and ask them what jet/setting/needle/whatever
adjustment they made to their carbs

(the reason i don't post there the way i post here is because those
people are too different)


^deliberately vague

On Mar 6, 4:03 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor...@erols.com> wrote:
> On Mar 6, 10:05 am, c <smalltalkingchic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 6, 4:25 am, Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > c wrote:
> > > > i want to get pipes for my bike, mostly for the reason that i want to
> > > > *know* the guy riding along side me knows i'm there ... i don't care
> > > > if it's loud to the point of annoying, i want to be heard
>
> > > Fuck you.
>
> > > --
> > > '01 SV650SK1 '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13
> > > OMF #7
>
> > i meant "heard" as in, the guy next to me, not 3 blocks away
>
> > really didn't think that was a "fuck-you-able" attitude
>
> I don't understand what part of "i don't care if it's loud to the
> point of annoying, i want to be heard" made you think that you
> wouldn't piss at least some people off.
>

how many people here ride in city traffic daily *and* are of the mind
that it's better to be visible than invisible?

of those, how many use visuals only, and how many enjoy pipes/horns/
etc?

aftermarket pipes are not offensive, per se

if a broad construction of my attitude (saying that i don't care if i
offend) is what pissed people off, i apologize

but narrowly, what i meant and tried to explain in subsequent posts, i
was saying i don't care if the person riding equal to me in the lane
is forced to acknowledge i'm there by the annoying noise of my
bike...just him, him and the guy in front of me that can ignore me
because he can't see me and will do something to squash me
(eventually)


that's why i wanted specifications, or ratings, or something, because
i just want hit what's necessary

and yes, i'll enjoy a deeper rumble, sure


> From a safety standpoint, a purely passive option like loud pipes
> pales in effectiveness compared to active safety measures, some of
> which you have already touched on and many more of which can be
> implemented without ever gettting to the point of being annoying.
>

i learned that riding in the city feels safer when noticed than when
riding as if invisible

YMMV

that's why when i'm forced to ride with the flow, i'd rather those
that are stuck with me not forget i'm there, or not notice me

> Of course, for being both passive AND annoying (and perhaps even
> occasionally, effective) it is hard to beat tapng the horn button down!

yeah, but ... i'm not trying to get the loudest pipes for the same
reason i'm not spamming with the horn ... =P

c wrote:
> when i say pipes, i mean "i don't want the guy in the lane next to me
> to forget i'm there" and "i don't want the person in front of me to
> not know i'm behind him because no one ever looks before they pull out
> into traffic"
>
> and i also mean "i don't want to be the asshole whose bike shakes
> teeth and makes babies cry"

Put simply, pipes that don't shake teeth and make babies cry aren't
going to be loud enough to the car in front of you to matter.

--
St. John
Loud pipes don't save lives; learning to ride properly does.

"c" <smalltalkingchicken@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:bbdd116e-ba3c-427f-a689-6d5a8797d0c5@k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> how many people here ride in city traffic daily *and* are of the mind
> that it's better to be visible than invisible?
>

I ride like I am invisible. Because I am of the opinion that if a cage
sees/hears me, they WANT to kill me.
>
> but narrowly, what i meant and tried to explain in subsequent posts, i
> was saying i don't care if the person riding equal to me in the lane
> is forced to acknowledge i'm there by the annoying noise of my
> bike...just him,

So why the hell are you positioning yourself that position? You can pro
actively change the relationship to the other vehicles around you.

>
> that's why i wanted specifications, or ratings, or something, because
> i just want hit what's necessary
>

Loud pipes aren't necessary. I have some polish to sell you. I promise it
will make your pipes louder.

> and yes, i'll enjoy a deeper rumble, sure
>
>

Yeah me too, on the track.


>> From a safety standpoint, a purely passive option like loud pipes
>> pales in effectiveness compared to active safety measures, some of
>> which you have already touched on and many more of which can be
>> implemented without ever gettting to the point of being annoying.
>>
>
> i learned that riding in the city feels safer when noticed than when
> riding as if invisible
>
> YMMV
>

See above. Feeling safer and being safer are 2 different things.

> that's why when i'm forced to ride with the flow, i'd rather those
> that are stuck with me not forget i'm there, or not notice me
>

Be pro active. You can and should change your relative position to other
traffic.

>> Of course, for being both passive AND annoying (and perhaps even
>> occasionally, effective) it is hard to beat tapng the horn button down!
>
> yeah, but ... i'm not trying to get the loudest pipes for the same
> reason i'm not spamming with the horn ... =P

Have you taken the MSF course?

c wrote:

>> If that's really the issue, have you considered buying a really loud horn?
>
>i did, that was actually my first attempt ... there's a 90+ db horn
>for only $100-something, but the thing is i can't honk at everyone all
>the time ... that would get me shot

What brand? I'd like to get the best horn I can, without resorting to
the ones that need air compressors.

On Mar 6, 8:21 pm, dizzy <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> c wrote:
> >> If that's really the issue, have you considered buying a really loud horn?
>
> >i did, that was actually my first attempt ... there's a 90+ db horn
> >for only $100-something, but the thing is i can't honk at everyone all
> >the time ... that would get me shot
>
> What brand? I'd like to get the best horn I can, without resorting to
> the ones that need air compressors.

not on the comp i was on when i found it, but i did find this -- 128db
self-contained horn for $140

("Loud horns save lives - loud pipes give you a ticket
This self contained air horn puts a heart stopping 128db blast from
its dual trumpets. The chrome plated cover is responsible for a mirror
finish for a long lasting shine. The unit is completely plug-n-play
and comes with everything necessary for an easy installation. This
true air horn comes with a Full 1 year Manufacturers warranty.

Fits: Harley Motorcycles where the Stock Horn is in-between the two
engine casings, on the side of the bike.
Can be installed on all other bikes as well but model specific
mounting brackets are not available.

The new Mini-Beast measures only 5" wide and 6") -- http://tiny.cc/NPi4D

On Mar 6, 7:13 pm, "BryanUT" <nestl...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "c" <smalltalkingchic...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:bbdd116e-ba3c-427f-a689-6d5a8797d0c5@k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> > how many people here ride in city traffic daily *and* are of the mind
> > that it's better to be visible than invisible?
>
> I ride like I am invisible. Because I am of the opinion that if a cage
> sees/hears me, they WANT to kill me.
>
>

in my short experience on bikes in this country, riding as though
invisible has been the approach most riders i've met or internet'd-
with have praised

(the others going for visibility ... a minority...and some not caring
at all)

i find riding in very heavy city traffic (street traffic, not quasi-
highway) to be an exception; i do not want to be ignored, not for
reasons of ego, but because i don't trust anyone around me and i have
no choice but to be surrounded by them (limiting what i can do
actively, but not passively)

when i *am* on a highway, i do ride like i'm invisible...i keep huge
margins, i have no problem processing the lesser amount of information
(compared to street driving) and adjusting in relation to others
(rather than hoping they see me)

>
> > but narrowly, what i meant and tried to explain in subsequent posts, i
> > was saying i don't care if the person riding equal to me in the lane
> > is forced to acknowledge i'm there by the annoying noise of my
> > bike...just him,
>
> So why the hell are you positioning yourself that position? You can pro
> actively change the relationship to the other vehicles around you.
>

rather than maintaining my "defense" of the situation, i'll make a
video of myself riding (camera mount should be delivered soon) and i
will let you all see what i'm talking about

i really do hear you - i CAN do things that increase my safety, in
general - but when it's bumper-to-bumper and everyone's going all
willy-nilly, if you don't go with the flow (having other vehicles
swarming around you constantly) then you're either already squished or
you aren't yet on the road

>
>
> > that's why i wanted specifications, or ratings, or something, because
> > i just want hit what's necessary
>
> Loud pipes aren't necessary. I have some polish to sell you. I promise it
> will make your pipes louder.
>

=/

> >> From a safety standpoint, a purely passive option like loud pipes
> >> pales in effectiveness compared to active safety measures, some of
> >> which you have already touched on and many more of which can be
> >> implemented without ever gettting to the point of being annoying.
>
> > i learned that riding in the city feels safer when noticed than when
> > riding as if invisible
>
> > YMMV
>
> See above. Feeling safer and being safer are 2 different things.
>

if what you're saying is that being heard is not at all a protection
against the daydreaming driver, that's a totally different point

i thought the consensus (at least thusfar) was that while it gets you
noticed, it does it in a bad way with ill effects

(and i was arguing
-it's fairplay here in the asshole of the world
-i was trying to do it in such a way as to minimize the bad
-it's the most feasible protection given these circumstances)



if being louder really isn't going to help in dense traffic, the only
way i'm going to forego new exhaust (other than money) is if you are
telling me flat out that it won't work and expecting me to trust you
and rely on that

is that the situation? what would you do if you were me?


> >> Of course, for being both passive AND annoying (and perhaps even
> >> occasionally, effective) it is hard to beat tapng the horn button down!
>
> > yeah, but ... i'm not trying to get the loudest pipes for the same
> > reason i'm not spamming with the horn ... =P
>
> Have you taken the MSF course?


yup - not sure if you were asking because you thought i needed formal
training to use a horn or because there's some explicit point in the
course about how "loud pipes save lives" is true or false

i think i remember it being brought up by a student and then the
instructor saying loud pipes represent no fewer crashes based on the
HURT report, and then someone mentioning that people who get louder
pipes tend to drive in a way that makes them more likely to crash so
it evens out ... i dunno, small ego overcompensating? one of those
explanations for the corellation (or lack of one)






let me ask a totally different question -

when you [guys (and gals)] go out to ride, do you think about whether
it'll be the last ride?

i am not afraid at all - it's just that each street is like its own
battle, its own moment, its own chance to survive ... i do enjoy
riding but i think riding in rushour is pissing me off, maybe that's
all it is - i don't expect to die, i just never end up actually
cruising, which is the whole reason i got the bike

not in the city anyway


those of you that live in places where you can ride a road solo (for
miles and miles...), does your mind wander? do you let it? is that
dangerous?


once again, my post about a contraption of steel and plastic has
turned to a question about what's in my own head



-c

On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 01:21:44 GMT, dizzy <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>c wrote:
>
>>> If that's really the issue, have you considered buying a really loud horn?
>>
>>i did, that was actually my first attempt ... there's a 90+ db horn
>>for only $100-something, but the thing is i can't honk at everyone all
>>the time ... that would get me shot
>
>What brand? I'd like to get the best horn I can, without resorting to
>the ones that need air compressors.

I still think these are the best horns ever put on a motorcycle:

http://tinyurl.com/2jh24b
http://home.goldrush.com/obsoelyt/Horn1.jpg
http://home.goldrush.com/obsoelyt/Horn2.jpg
http://home.goldrush.com/obsoelyt/Horn3.jpg

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On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:05:00 -0800 (PST), c
<smalltalkingchicken@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mar 6, 4:25 am, Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:
>> c wrote:
>> > i want to get pipes for my bike, mostly for the reason that i want to
>> > *know* the guy riding along side me knows i'm there ... i don't care
>> > if it's loud to the point of annoying, i want to be heard
>>
>> Fuck you.
>>
>> --
>> '01 SV650SK1 '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13
>> OMF #7
>
>i meant "heard" as in, the guy next to me, not 3 blocks away
>
>really didn't think that was a "fuck-you-able" attitude
>
>it's really, really loud where i ride - i'll take a video of my ride
>sometime

And you never ride out of that area? hmmm.
If it's that loud, people probably won't hear you, no matter how loud
the pipes are. And you certainly shouldn't count on them hearing you.

I've been amazed sometimes when a guy with loud pipes passes me and I
realize he got right up to me before I heard him, even though once I
was behind him, it was deafening. Sound is directional. People often
drive with their windows up and the music blasting. If you spend that
money on loud pipes, you tend to get the idea "they must hear me." The
truth is, the people you want to hear very well might not hear even
the loudest pipes. But you'll piss off the neighbors.

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dizzy wrote:
> c wrote:
>
>>> If that's really the issue, have you considered buying a really
>>> loud horn?
>>
>> i did, that was actually my first attempt ... there's a 90+ db horn
>> for only $100-something, but the thing is i can't honk at everyone
>> all the time ... that would get me shot
>
> What brand? I'd like to get the best horn I can, without resorting
> to
> the ones that need air compressors.

Stebel Nautilus. Google that and you'll find a large number of
suppliers. Note that it draws a lot of current and on most bikes
needs a relay--the horn button won't carry enough current to power it.

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On 2008-03-06 18:37:33 -0500, c <smalltalkingchicken@gmail.com> said:

> how many people here ride in city traffic daily *and* are of the mind
> that it's better to be visible than invisible?
>
> of those, how many use visuals only, and how many enjoy pipes/horns/
> etc?
>
> aftermarket pipes are not offensive, per se

I wear dayglo yellow gear for the most part and have installed Stebel
horns to alert the folks with their heads up their asses that they're
trying to merge into my body. I also have non-stock pipes on my bikes,
but they are not loud. I run Remus on the GS and Yoshis on the Trophy.
Both provide a nice mellow bark, but don't deafen anyone within 10
feet of me even at WFO. Trust me on the horn. It's much louder than
the exhaust. <g>

http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productview/2137/

Good stuff and compact for those who don't want to advertise. They
also offer a chrome version for the polishers out there.

Oh, if you're having issues with your riding companions veering into
you? Get new riding buddies. The ones you have will get you killed.

On 2008-03-06 20:21:44 -0500, dizzy <dizzy@nospam.invalid> said:

> c wrote:
>
>>> If that's really the issue, have you considered buying a really loud horn?
>>
>> i did, that was actually my first attempt ... there's a 90+ db horn
>> for only $100-something, but the thing is i can't honk at everyone all
>> the time ... that would get me shot
>
> What brand? I'd like to get the best horn I can, without resorting to
> the ones that need air compressors.

Stebel.

http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productview/2137/

sleazy wrote:

> I wear dayglo yellow gear for the most part and have installed Stebel
> horns to alert the folks with their heads up their asses that they're
> trying to merge into my body. ...
>
> http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productview/2137/
>
> Good stuff and compact for those who don't want to advertise. They
> also offer a chrome version for the polishers out there.

I can attest that the Stebel horn is .. amazing.

I first saw them at a BMW rally, and the vendor allowed test blasts, but
only after first alerting all nearby folks with a lesser horn, and an
admonishment that a real horn follows. This method reduced heart attacks
in the vendor area.

There is a separate wiring kit, too.
http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productview/2867

...though Amazon seems to offer one at a lower price.
<http://www.amazon.com/Wiring-Stebel-Nautilus-Compact-Motorcycle/dp/B000TK8NN2/ref=pd_bxgy_auto_text_b/103-7274325-9365442>
or
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2qre99
...and buy both parts from Amazon for less.

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Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> sleazy wrote:
>
>> I wear dayglo yellow gear for the most part and have installed
>> Stebel
>> horns to alert the folks with their heads up their asses that
>> they're
>> trying to merge into my body. ...
>>
>> http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productview/2137/
>>
>> Good stuff and compact for those who don't want to advertise. They
>> also offer a chrome version for the polishers out there.
>
> I can attest that the Stebel horn is .. amazing.
>
> I first saw them at a BMW rally, and the vendor allowed test blasts,
> but
> only after first alerting all nearby folks with a lesser horn, and
> an
> admonishment that a real horn follows. This method reduced heart
> attacks
> in the vendor area.

Every once in a while I bump mine unintentionally. It always gets
_my_ attention.

> There is a separate wiring kit, too.
> http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productview/2867
>
> ..though Amazon seems to offer one at a lower price.
> <http://www.amazon.com/Wiring-Stebel-Nautilus-Compact-Motorcycle/dp/B000TK8NN2/ref=pd_bxgy_auto_text_b/103-7274325-9365442>
> or
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/2qre99
> ..and buy both parts from Amazon for less.

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On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:34:27 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote:

>I can attest that the Stebel horn is .. amazing.
>
>I first saw them at a BMW rally, and the vendor allowed test blasts, but
>only after first alerting all nearby folks with a lesser horn, and an
>admonishment that a real horn follows. This method reduced heart attacks
>in the vendor area.
>
>There is a separate wiring kit, too.
>http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productview/2867
>
>..though Amazon seems to offer one at a lower price.
><http://www.amazon.com/Wiring-Stebel-Nautilus-Compact-Motorcycle/dp/B000TK8NN2/ref=pd_bxgy_auto_text_b/103-7274325-9365442>
>or
>http://preview.tinyurl.com/2qre99
>..and buy both parts from Amazon for less.

The Amazon kit does not appear to include a relay.
The Twisted Throttle kit was designed specifically for a VStrom.

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Turby wrote:

> The Amazon kit does not appear to include a relay.

Oh... I hadn't noticed that. :-(

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