http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...79&ft=1&f=1001

"...the military has expanded motorcycle safety classes and started a
pilot project hosting "Track Day" events on many bases. The events are
an opportunity for military personnel to drive fast in a safe
environment and to learn the limitations of their vehicles."

"BryanUT" <nestle12@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:da6eab26-cc7d-4a2f-b1ed-f5665155c97b@x31g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...79&ft=1&f=1001
>
> "...the military has expanded motorcycle safety classes and started a
> pilot project hosting "Track Day" events on many bases. The events are
> an opportunity for military personnel to drive fast in a safe
> environment and to learn the limitations of their vehicles."

... because they're dying in disproportionate amounts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/us...0safety&st=cse

__
Steve
'06 FXDI
KI5YG
DoD 627
..

"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:U3JEl.18787$as4.9618@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> "BryanUT" <nestle12@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:da6eab26-cc7d-4a2f-b1ed-f5665155c97b@x31g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...79&ft=1&f=1001
>>
>> "...the military has expanded motorcycle safety classes and started a
>> pilot project hosting "Track Day" events on many bases. The events are
>> an opportunity for military personnel to drive fast in a safe
>> environment and to learn the limitations of their vehicles."
>
> .. because they're dying in disproportionate amounts.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/us...0safety&st=cse
>

Strange how they look for some mysterious cause of this.

You've got 18 year old kids that, for the first time in their lives, are
away from Mom and Dad, got some money in their pocket, free time on their
hands, and a delicate machine that goes faster than any car they've owned,
and wonder why they get themselves killed.

The only mystery here is why the New York Times cares enough about American
soldiers to print this story.

Regarding the NPR story, I hate to agree with an officer, but Major Morris
has a point. I don't dare get a sport bike, lest I become another stain on
a Los Angeles freeway.

CS

On Apr 13, 10:37*am, BryanUT <nestl...@comcast.net> wrote:
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...2990179&ft=1&f....
>
> "...the military has expanded motorcycle safety classes and started a
> pilot project hosting "Track Day" events on many bases. The events are
> an opportunity for military personnel to drive fast in a safe
> environment and to learn the limitations of their vehicles."

Hopefully they will find their OWN limits. Most of them are riding
vehicles with limits considerably higher than their own!

On Apr 13, 7:37*am, BryanUT <nestl...@comcast.net> wrote:
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...2990179&ft=1&f....
>
> "...the military has expanded motorcycle safety classes and started a
> pilot project hosting "Track Day" events on many bases. The events are
> an opportunity for military personnel to drive fast in a safe
> environment and to learn the limitations of their vehicles."

Bryan, the only thing I question is the wisdom of you X-posting this
to Reeky, a group where many do not even know what a track day means.
From my experience the vast majority of Reekites are cruisers, long
haul iron butt ( Harley bagger & Gold wingers) or commuters with all
different type bikes from old UJM's to Harley & Metric cruiser &
profiling bikes such as custom made choppers. "Sure there are a few
like You Tim & Saddle, Myself and TTT who post and listen to both AMS
and Reeky but in general you're going to get negative responses for
two reasons. 1) Few anymore have served in the military and don't even
know that the term squid started with underpaid enlisted sailors going
out and buying so called "crotch rockets" and getting themselves
killed at an alarming rate starting from way back in time to the
Holister crowd that inspired the movie with Marlon Brando. However
it's still true with all the branches of the service, or USAF, Marines
& Army, Navy & Coast Guard.. 2) This program by the military is an
obvious attempt at training these young forks, both officers and
enlisted on how to properly ride these Hyper fast, nimble bikes in
their "intended environment" and if executed well can save lives
instead of an occasional broken wrist, collar bone or leg once in a
while instead of a dead GI from squiding around on the street.

Bob Nixon..

Bob Nixon wrote:

> Bryan, the only thing I question is the wisdom of you X-posting this
> to Reeky, a group where many do not even know what a track day means.
> From my experience the vast majority of Reekites are cruisers, long
> haul iron butt ( Harley bagger & Gold wingers) or commuters with all
> different type bikes from old UJM's to Harley & Metric cruiser &
> profiling bikes such as custom made choppers. "Sure there are a few
> like You Tim & Saddle, Myself and TTT who post and listen to both AMS
> and Reeky...

Whether or not you're following AMS doesn't really mean all that
much. I used to, but then we stopped getting the whole bleedin'
alt hiearchy. Reeky is FAR from being all cruisers/commuters.

Bob M.

On Apr 13, 1:08*pm, "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote:
> Bob Nixon wrote:
> > Bryan, the only thing I question is the wisdom of you X-posting this
> > to Reeky, a group where many do not even know what a track day means.
> > From my experience the vast majority of Reekites are cruisers, long
> > haul iron butt ( Harley bagger & Gold wingers) or commuters with all
> > different type bikes from old UJM's to Harley & Metric cruiser &
> > profiling bikes such as custom made choppers. "Sure there are a few
> > like You Tim & Saddle, Myself and TTT who post and listen to both AMS
> > and Reeky...
>
> Whether or not you're following AMS doesn't really mean all that
> much. *I used to, but then we stopped getting the whole bleedin'
> alt hiearchy. *Reeky is FAR from being all cruisers/commuters.
>
> Bob M.

But Bob. what do YOU know about being in the military, owning a crotch
rocket or track days??? Respond in detail please.
IOW, I think Bryan's post will fall mostly on (uneducated of deaf
ears).

Bob Nixon..

"CS" <dontshop@sears.com> wrote
....

> The only mystery here is why the New York Times cares enough about
> American soldiers to print this story.

Bust one of your illusions?
__
Steve
'06 FXDI
KI5YG
DoD 627
..

On Apr 13, 10:34*am, "tomor...@erols.com"
<tomorrowaterolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 10:37*am, BryanUT <nestl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...2990179&ft=1&f...
>
> > "...the military has expanded motorcycle safety classes and started a
> > pilot project hosting "Track Day" events on many bases. The events are
> > an opportunity for military personnel to drive fast in a safe
> > environment and to learn the limitations of their vehicles."
>
> Hopefully they will find their OWN limits. *Most of them are riding
> vehicles with limits considerably higher than their own!

Truth.

On Apr 13, 5:00*pm, Bob Nixon <bigrex2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 1:08*pm, "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Bob Nixon wrote:
> > > Bryan, the only thing I question is the wisdom of you X-posting this
> > > to Reeky, a group where many do not even know what a track day means.
> > > From my experience the vast majority of Reekites are cruisers, long
> > > haul iron butt ( Harley bagger & Gold wingers) or commuters with all
> > > different type bikes from old UJM's to Harley & Metric cruiser &
> > > profiling bikes such as custom made choppers. "Sure there are a few
> > > like You Tim & Saddle, Myself and TTT who post and listen to both AMS
> > > and Reeky...
>
> > Whether or not you're following AMS doesn't really mean all that
> > much. *I used to, but then we stopped getting the whole bleedin'
> > alt hiearchy. *Reeky is FAR from being all cruisers/commuters.
>
> > Bob M.
>
> But Bob. what do YOU know about being in the military, owning a crotch
> rocket or track days??? Respond in detail please.
> IOW, I think Bryan's post will fall mostly on (uneducated of deaf
> ears).
>
> Bob Nixon..

As a kid my brother in law (RIP, he died last week) used to take me to
the drag races on Westover AFB.

The airmen would race on one of the unused runways. I remember one
'56 Chevy, the trunk didn't stay latched and it was bouncing up and
down the track.

I think that image sticks in my mind because the car from Two Lane
Blacktop was so similiar.

I think later this spring I'll tell the wife I am going out for beer
and just head out to the Midnight Drags and learn my limits in the 1/4
mile.

Bob Nixon wrote:
> On Apr 13, 1:08 pm, "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> Bob Nixon wrote:
>>> Bryan, the only thing I question is the wisdom of you X-posting this
>>> to Reeky, a group where many do not even know what a track day means.
>>> From my experience the vast majority of Reekites are cruisers, long
>>> haul iron butt ( Harley bagger & Gold wingers) or commuters with all
>>> different type bikes from old UJM's to Harley & Metric cruiser &
>>> profiling bikes such as custom made choppers. "Sure there are a few
>>> like You Tim & Saddle, Myself and TTT who post and listen to both AMS
>>> and Reeky...
>> Whether or not you're following AMS doesn't really mean all that
>> much. I used to, but then we stopped getting the whole bleedin'
>> alt hiearchy. Reeky is FAR from being all cruisers/commuters.
>>
>> Bob M.
>
> But Bob. what do YOU know about being in the military, owning a crotch
> rocket or track days??? Respond in detail please.
> IOW, I think Bryan's post will fall mostly on (uneducated of deaf
> ears).
>
> Bob Nixon..

I'm not too sure about that, Bob.

There are those amongst us here (reeky) who actually teach the military
riding classes.

On Apr 13, 6:12*pm, David White <wlightn...@att.net> wrote:
> Bob Nixon wrote:
> > On Apr 13, 1:08 pm, "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote:
> >> Bob Nixon wrote:
> >>> Bryan, the only thing I question is the wisdom of you X-posting this
> >>> to Reeky, a group where many do not even know what a track day means.
> >>> From my experience the vast majority of Reekites are cruisers, long
> >>> haul iron butt ( Harley bagger & Gold wingers) or commuters with all
> >>> different type bikes from old UJM's to Harley & Metric cruiser &
> >>> profiling bikes such as custom made choppers. "Sure there are a few
> >>> like You Tim & Saddle, Myself and TTT who post and listen to both AMS
> >>> and Reeky...
> >> Whether or not you're following AMS doesn't really mean all that
> >> much. *I used to, but then we stopped getting the whole bleedin'
> >> alt hiearchy. *Reeky is FAR from being all cruisers/commuters.
>
> >> Bob M.
>
> > But Bob. what do YOU know about being in the military, owning a crotch
> > rocket or track days??? Respond in detail please.
> > IOW, I think Bryan's post will fall mostly on (uneducated of deaf
> > ears).
>
> > Bob Nixon..
>
> I'm not too sure about that, Bob.
>
> There are those amongst us here (reeky) who actually teach the military
> riding classes.

Good for you, then. However you are certainly amongst the minority in
Reeky. BTW, if your ISP doesn't carry the "ALT" hierarchy you can
still get it on the internet. Just sign up for Google groups & the
USENET group option and have a secondary bogus (MS or Yahoo) email
account as well.

Bob Nixon..

On Apr 13, 4:54*pm, BryanUT <nestl...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 5:00*pm, Bob Nixon <bigrex2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 13, 1:08*pm, "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > Bob Nixon wrote:
> > > > Bryan, the only thing I question is the wisdom of you X-posting this
> > > > to Reeky, a group where many do not even know what a track day means.
> > > > From my experience the vast majority of Reekites are cruisers, long
> > > > haul iron butt ( Harley bagger & Gold wingers) or commuters with all
> > > > different type bikes from old UJM's to Harley & Metric cruiser &
> > > > profiling bikes such as custom made choppers. "Sure there are a few
> > > > like You Tim & Saddle, Myself and TTT who post and listen to both AMS
> > > > and Reeky...
>
> > > Whether or not you're following AMS doesn't really mean all that
> > > much. *I used to, but then we stopped getting the whole bleedin'
> > > alt hiearchy. *Reeky is FAR from being all cruisers/commuters.
>
> > > Bob M.
>
> > But Bob. what do YOU know about being in the military, owning a crotch
> > rocket or track days??? Respond in detail please.
> > IOW, I think Bryan's post will fall mostly on (uneducated of deaf
> > ears).
>
> > Bob Nixon..
>
> As a kid my brother in law (RIP, he died last week) used to take me to
> the drag races on Westover AFB.
>
> The airmen would race on one of the unused runways. *I remember one
> '56 Chevy, the trunk didn't stay latched and it was bouncing up and
> down the track.
>
> I think that image sticks in my mind because the car from Two Lane
> Blacktop was so similiar.
>
> I think later this spring I'll tell the wife I am going out for beer
> and just head out to the Midnight Drags and learn my limits in the 1/4
> mile.

I was never at one of those bases but I did do grudge nights at
Fremont DS in the SFBA back in the late seventies and early eighties.
I got three trophy's for top bike eliminator over that time. Best
times were 11.83sec @ 115 Mph. I still have some of my old timing
slips. I also broke into the 12's with my KZ-650 but the 78 Suzuki
GS-1000E was the bike I got the trophy's with. I never really knew
about track days until I moved to Phoenix AZ.and have done about a
dozen before the deer accident.On blood thinners I can't do any thing
of a competitive nature anymore, save a little dicing on Apache Trail.

Bob Nixon..

On Apr 13, 11:00*pm, Bob Nixon <bigrex2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 6:12*pm, David White <wlightn...@att.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Bob Nixon wrote:
> > > On Apr 13, 1:08 pm, "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote:
> > >> Bob Nixon wrote:
> > >>> Bryan, the only thing I question is the wisdom of you X-posting this
> > >>> to Reeky, a group where many do not even know what a track day means.
> > >>> From my experience the vast majority of Reekites are cruisers, long
> > >>> haul iron butt ( Harley bagger & Gold wingers) or commuters with all
> > >>> different type bikes from old UJM's to Harley & Metric cruiser &
> > >>> profiling bikes such as custom made choppers. "Sure there are a few
> > >>> like You Tim & Saddle, Myself and TTT who post and listen to both AMS
> > >>> and Reeky...
> > >> Whether or not you're following AMS doesn't really mean all that
> > >> much. *I used to, but then we stopped getting the whole bleedin'
> > >> alt hiearchy. *Reeky is FAR from being all cruisers/commuters.
>
> > >> Bob M.
>
> > > But Bob. what do YOU know about being in the military, owning a crotch
> > > rocket or track days??? Respond in detail please.
> > > IOW, I think Bryan's post will fall mostly on (uneducated of deaf
> > > ears).
>
> > > Bob Nixon..
>
> > I'm not too sure about that, Bob.
>
> > There are those amongst us here (reeky) who actually teach the military
> > riding classes.
>
> Good for you, then. However you are certainly amongst the minority in
> Reeky.

And, of course, also among the minority in AMS.

I certainly haven't noticed any particular superiority amongst the
folk in AMS as compared to the folk in Reeky. But then, I like all
bikes, and have found most motorcyclists to be good people, regardless
of the brand or type of motorcycle they ride.

On Apr 13, 8:37*am, BryanUT <nestl...@comcast.net> wrote:
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...2990179&ft=1&f....
>
> "...the military has expanded motorcycle safety classes and started a
> pilot project hosting "Track Day" events on many bases. The events are
> an opportunity for military personnel to drive fast in a safe
> environment and to learn the limitations of their vehicles."

About damn time someone in the military started doing this...woulda
been fun to have done one on some of the tracks they had in Tejas on
that poor little Savge I blew up...surprisingly nimble if lacking in
clearance.

Or at PIS when I was stationed at Ft. Lewis. Woulda coulda been a
giggle. ;^) Those who know, understand why I say that.
--
Keith

On Apr 13, 12:40*pm, Bob Nixon <bigrex2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 7:37*am, BryanUT <nestl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...2990179&ft=1&f...
>
> > "...the military has expanded motorcycle safety classes and started a
> > pilot project hosting "Track Day" events on many bases. The events are
> > an opportunity for military personnel to drive fast in a safe
> > environment and to learn the limitations of their vehicles."
>
> Bryan, the only thing I question is the wisdom of you X-posting this
> to Reeky, a group where many do not even know what a track day means.
> From my experience the vast majority of Reekites are cruisers, long
> haul iron butt ( Harley bagger & Gold wingers) or commuters with all
> different type bikes from old UJM's to Harley & Metric cruiser &
> profiling bikes such as custom made choppers. "Sure there are a few
> like You Tim & Saddle, Myself and TTT who post and listen to both AMS
> and Reeky but in general you're going to get negative responses for
> two reasons.

I think you might be surprised Bob, seriously. 8^) on a side note...I
should be sending that crank and jugs back east soon. That and I'm
going the lazy route and buying instead of fabbing the oil lines.

stay safe m'kay?
--
Keith

On Apr 13, 8:53*pm, "tomor...@erols.com"
<tomorrowaterolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 11:00*pm, Bob Nixon <bigrex2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 13, 6:12*pm, David White <wlightn...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > > Bob Nixon wrote:
> > > > On Apr 13, 1:08 pm, "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote:
> > > >> Bob Nixon wrote:
> > > >>> Bryan, the only thing I question is the wisdom of you X-posting this
> > > >>> to Reeky, a group where many do not even know what a track day means.
> > > >>> From my experience the vast majority of Reekites are cruisers, long
> > > >>> haul iron butt ( Harley bagger & Gold wingers) or commuters with all
> > > >>> different type bikes from old UJM's to Harley & Metric cruiser &
> > > >>> profiling bikes such as custom made choppers. "Sure there are a few
> > > >>> like You Tim & Saddle, Myself and TTT who post and listen to bothAMS
> > > >>> and Reeky...
> > > >> Whether or not you're following AMS doesn't really mean all that
> > > >> much. *I used to, but then we stopped getting the whole bleedin'
> > > >> alt hiearchy. *Reeky is FAR from being all cruisers/commuters.
>
> > > >> Bob M.
>
> > > > But Bob. what do YOU know about being in the military, owning a crotch
> > > > rocket or track days??? Respond in detail please.
> > > > IOW, I think Bryan's post will fall mostly on (uneducated of deaf
> > > > ears).
>
> > > > Bob Nixon..
>
> > > I'm not too sure about that, Bob.
>
> > > There are those amongst us here (reeky) who actually teach the military
> > > riding classes.
>
> > Good for you, then. However you are certainly amongst the minority in
> > Reeky.
>
> And, of course, also among the minority in AMS.

Not at all in terms of those who have done or know what a track day
means. Why don'y tou take a pole, Tim, if you think you're righ?.

> I certainly haven't noticed any particular superiority amongst the
> folk in AMS as compared to the folk in Reeky. * But then, I like all
> bikes, and have found most motorcyclists to be good people, regardless
> of the brand or type of motorcycle they ride.

Who said they were superior, Tim? Different maybe and Reeky is a
little more "Wacko" generally but neither group is SUPERIOR.as you
say.
BTW, Do try to stay on the subject, there Tim.

Bob Nixon..

On Apr 14, 3:20*pm, Bob Nixon <bigrex2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 8:53*pm, "tomor...@erols.com"
>
>
>
>
>
> <tomorrowaterolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 13, 11:00*pm, Bob Nixon <bigrex2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 13, 6:12*pm, David White <wlightn...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > > > Bob Nixon wrote:
> > > > > On Apr 13, 1:08 pm, "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote:
> > > > >> Bob Nixon wrote:
> > > > >>> Bryan, the only thing I question is the wisdom of you X-postingthis
> > > > >>> to Reeky, a group where many do not even know what a track day means.
> > > > >>> From my experience the vast majority of Reekites are cruisers, long
> > > > >>> haul iron butt ( Harley bagger & Gold wingers) or commuters with all
> > > > >>> different type bikes from old UJM's to Harley & Metric cruiser &
> > > > >>> profiling bikes such as custom made choppers. "Sure there are afew
> > > > >>> like You Tim & Saddle, Myself and TTT who post and listen to both AMS
> > > > >>> and Reeky...
> > > > >> Whether or not you're following AMS doesn't really mean all that
> > > > >> much. *I used to, but then we stopped getting the whole bleedin'
> > > > >> alt hiearchy. *Reeky is FAR from being all cruisers/commuters.
>
> > > > >> Bob M.
>
> > > > > But Bob. what do YOU know about being in the military, owning a crotch
> > > > > rocket or track days??? Respond in detail please.
> > > > > IOW, I think Bryan's post will fall mostly on (uneducated of deaf
> > > > > ears).
>
> > > > > Bob Nixon..
>
> > > > I'm not too sure about that, Bob.
>
> > > > There are those amongst us here (reeky) who actually teach the military
> > > > riding classes.
>
> > > Good for you, then. However you are certainly amongst the minority in
> > > Reeky.
>
> > And, of course, also among the minority in AMS.
>
> Not at all in terms of those who have done or know what a track day
> means. Why don'y tou take a pole, Tim, if you think you're righ?.

I don't think I need to take a poll to confirm my observation that MSF-
certified riding instructors are a minority in both AMS and Reeky,
Bob, which was the extent of my comment.

> > I certainly haven't noticed any particular superiority amongst the
> > folk in AMS as compared to the folk in Reeky. * But then, I like all
> > bikes, and have found most motorcyclists to be good people, regardless
> > of the brand or type of motorcycle they ride.
>
> Who said they were superior, Tim?

Well, Bob, you said that rec.motorcycles is "a group where many do not
even know what a track day means," and I assume that because - at the
time - you were objecting to Bryan crossposting from AMS to Reeky, you
felt that AMS members would be more likely to understand and respond
to Bryan's post because of their superior understanding of what a
track day is.

Later, you said "I think Bryan's post will fall mostly on (uneducated
of deaf ears)." I don't know of many people who would think that
you weren't insinuating that AMS's readers - not having uneducated or
deaf ears - were superior to the Reeky participants you were
describing, Bob.

> Different maybe and Reeky is a little more "Wacko" generally

I'd definitely say AMS is the more "Wacko" group, what with longtime
members threatening to sue other longtime members, and other scary
shenanigans.

> but neither group is SUPERIOR.as you say.

Glad you agree with me, Bob, your earlier statements to the contrary
notwithstanding.

> BTW, Do try to stay on the subject, there Tim.

Bob, you were the one who observed that MSF Instructors were
"certainly in the minority in Reeky." I hardly think that my mild
responding observation that they were also in the minority in AMS can
be construed as being off the subject, especially when it was you that
BEGAN the comparisons between the two newsgroups in the first place.

Tim

On Apr 14, 12:39*pm, "tomor...@erols.com"
<tomorrowaterolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 14, 3:20*pm, Bob Nixon <bigrex2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 13, 8:53*pm, "tomor...@erols.com"
>
> > <tomorrowaterolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Apr 13, 11:00*pm, Bob Nixon <bigrex2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 13, 6:12*pm, David White <wlightn...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > Bob Nixon wrote:
> > > > > > On Apr 13, 1:08 pm, "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > >> Bob Nixon wrote:
> > > > > >>> Bryan, the only thing I question is the wisdom of you X-posting this
> > > > > >>> to Reeky, a group where many do not even know what a track day means.
> > > > > >>> From my experience the vast majority of Reekites are cruisers, long
> > > > > >>> haul iron butt ( Harley bagger & Gold wingers) or commuters with all
> > > > > >>> different type bikes from old UJM's to Harley & Metric cruiser &
> > > > > >>> profiling bikes such as custom made choppers. "Sure there area few
> > > > > >>> like You Tim & Saddle, Myself and TTT who post and listen to both AMS
> > > > > >>> and Reeky...
> > > > > >> Whether or not you're following AMS doesn't really mean all that
> > > > > >> much. *I used to, but then we stopped getting the whole bleedin'
> > > > > >> alt hiearchy. *Reeky is FAR from being all cruisers/commuters.
>
> > > > > >> Bob M.
>
> > > > > > But Bob. what do YOU know about being in the military, owning acrotch
> > > > > > rocket or track days??? Respond in detail please.
> > > > > > IOW, I think Bryan's post will fall mostly on (uneducated of deaf
> > > > > > ears).
>
> > > > > > Bob Nixon..
>
> > > > > I'm not too sure about that, Bob.
>
> > > > > There are those amongst us here (reeky) who actually teach the military
> > > > > riding classes.
>
> > > > Good for you, then. However you are certainly amongst the minority in
> > > > Reeky.
>
> > > And, of course, also among the minority in AMS.
>
> > Not at all in terms of those who have done or know what a track day
> > means. Why don'y tou take a pole, Tim, if you think you're righ?.
>
> I don't think I need to take a poll to confirm my observation that MSF-
> certified riding instructors are a minority in both AMS and Reeky,
> Bob, which was the extent of my comment.
>
> > > I certainly haven't noticed any particular superiority amongst the
> > > folk in AMS as compared to the folk in Reeky. * But then, I like all
> > > bikes, and have found most motorcyclists to be good people, regardless
> > > of the brand or type of motorcycle they ride.
>
> > Who said they were superior, Tim?
>
> Well, Bob, you said that rec.motorcycles is "a group where many do not
> even know what a track day means," and I assume that because - at the
> time - you were objecting to Bryan crossposting from AMS to Reeky, you
> felt that AMS members would be more likely to understand and respond
> to Bryan's post because of their superior understanding of what a
> track day is.

I never used the word SUPERIOR, Tim. That's strictly your take on
things,

> Later, you said "I think Bryan's post will fall mostly on (uneducated
> of deaf ears)." * *I don't know of many people who would think that
> you weren't insinuating that AMS's readers - not having uneducated or
> deaf ears - were superior to the Reeky participants you were
> describing, Bob.

Only concerning track days, Tim. And there are so many, many forms of
riding that it was not meant as an insult to Reeky readers/posters
rather a statement of fact. You make it what ever suits you though'

> > Different maybe and Reeky is a little more "Wacko" generally
>
> I'd definitely say AMS is the more "Wacko" group, what with longtime
> members threatening to sue other longtime members, and other scary
> shenanigans.

Who Phil? He's harmless and actually says something worth reading now
and again.

> > but neither group is SUPERIOR.as you say.
>
> Glad you agree with me, Bob, your earlier statements to the contrary
> notwithstanding.
>
> > BTW, Do try to stay on the subject, there Tim.
>
> Bob, you were the one who observed that MSF Instructors were
> "certainly in the minority in Reeky." *I hardly think that my mild
> responding observation that they were also in the minority in AMS can
> be construed as being off the subject, especially when it was you that
> BEGAN the comparisons between the two newsgroups in the first place.
>
> Tim

1st. I've said it before and I'll say it again near;y nothing GOOD
comes from X-[osting to tthe two groups except maybe the thread sized
get bigger but always more convoluted. There are people in both groups
that don't like the X-posting.

Next, no one has been talking about MSF instructors, Tim. This thread
is about track days and I was talking about those motorcyclists who
are aware of or had done track days.

Bob Nixon.. Last post on my part in this thread!

On Apr 14, 5:32*pm, Bob Nixon <bigrex2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 14, 12:39*pm, "tomor...@erols.com"
>
>
>
>
>
> <tomorrowaterolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 14, 3:20*pm, Bob Nixon <bigrex2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 13, 8:53*pm, "tomor...@erols.com"
>
> > > <tomorrowaterolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Apr 13, 11:00*pm, Bob Nixon <bigrex2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 13, 6:12*pm, David White <wlightn...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Bob Nixon wrote:
> > > > > > > On Apr 13, 1:08 pm, "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > > >> Bob Nixon wrote:
> > > > > > >>> Bryan, the only thing I question is the wisdom of you X-posting this
> > > > > > >>> to Reeky, a group where many do not even know what a track day means.
> > > > > > >>> From my experience the vast majority of Reekites are cruisers, long
> > > > > > >>> haul iron butt ( Harley bagger & Gold wingers) or commuterswith all
> > > > > > >>> different type bikes from old UJM's to Harley & Metric cruiser &
> > > > > > >>> profiling bikes such as custom made choppers. "Sure there are a few
> > > > > > >>> like You Tim & Saddle, Myself and TTT who post and listen to both AMS
> > > > > > >>> and Reeky...
> > > > > > >> Whether or not you're following AMS doesn't really mean all that
> > > > > > >> much. *I used to, but then we stopped getting the whole bleedin'
> > > > > > >> alt hiearchy. *Reeky is FAR from being all cruisers/commuters.
>
> > > > > > >> Bob M.
>
> > > > > > > But Bob. what do YOU know about being in the military, owninga crotch
> > > > > > > rocket or track days??? Respond in detail please.
> > > > > > > IOW, I think Bryan's post will fall mostly on (uneducated of deaf
> > > > > > > ears).
>
> > > > > > > Bob Nixon..
>
> > > > > > I'm not too sure about that, Bob.
>
> > > > > > There are those amongst us here (reeky) who actually teach the military
> > > > > > riding classes.
>
> > > > > Good for you, then. However you are certainly amongst the minority in
> > > > > Reeky.
>
> > > > And, of course, also among the minority in AMS.
>
> > > Not at all in terms of those who have done or know what a track day
> > > means. Why don'y tou take a pole, Tim, if you think you're righ?.
>
> > I don't think I need to take a poll to confirm my observation that MSF-
> > certified riding instructors are a minority in both AMS and Reeky,
> > Bob, which was the extent of my comment.
>
> > > > I certainly haven't noticed any particular superiority amongst the
> > > > folk in AMS as compared to the folk in Reeky. * But then, I like all
> > > > bikes, and have found most motorcyclists to be good people, regardless
> > > > of the brand or type of motorcycle they ride.
>
> > > Who said they were superior, Tim?
>
> > Well, Bob, you said that rec.motorcycles is "a group where many do not
> > even know what a track day means," and I assume that because - at the
> > time - you were objecting to Bryan crossposting from AMS to Reeky, you
> > felt that AMS members would be more likely to understand and respond
> > to Bryan's post because of their superior understanding of what a
> > track day is.
>
> I never used the word SUPERIOR, Tim. That's strictly your take on
> things,

Right. Saying a group of people doesn't even KNOW what something is,
is in no way insinuating that their knowledge about such a thing is
INFERIOR, Bob.

Sheesh.

> > Later, you said "I think Bryan's post will fall mostly on (uneducated
> > of deaf ears)." * *I don't know of many people who would think that
> > you weren't insinuating that AMS's readers - not having uneducated or
> > deaf ears - were superior to the Reeky participants you were
> > describing, Bob.
>
> Only concerning track days, Tim. And there are so many, many forms of
> riding that it was not meant as an insult to Reeky readers/posters
> rather a statement of fact. You make it what ever suits you though'

No, I stated SPECIFICALLY what it was about your post that made it
sound to me as if you were pontificating from a perceived superior
status, Bob. The fact that other people responded in a similar vein
supports the impression. Deny it all you like, but calling people
uneducated or deaf is not the best way to convince them that you think
they are your equal.

> > > Different maybe and Reeky is a little more "Wacko" generally
>
> > I'd definitely say AMS is the more "Wacko" group, what with longtime
> > members threatening to sue other longtime members, and other scary
> > shenanigans.
>
> Who Phil? He's harmless and actually says something worth reading now
> and again.
>
> > > but neither group is SUPERIOR.as you say.
>
> > Glad you agree with me, Bob, your earlier statements to the contrary
> > notwithstanding.
>
> > > BTW, Do try to stay on the subject, there Tim.
>
> > Bob, you were the one who observed that MSF Instructors were
> > "certainly in the minority in Reeky." *I hardly think that my mild
> > responding observation that they were also in the minority in AMS can
> > be construed as being off the subject, especially when it was you that
> > BEGAN the comparisons between the two newsgroups in the first place.

> 1st. I've said it before and I'll say it again near;y nothing GOOD
> comes from X-[osting to tthe two groups except maybe the thread sized
> get bigger but always more convoluted. There are people in both groups
> that don't like the X-posting.

Then WHY are you crossposting, Bob?

> Next, no one has been talking about MSF instructors, Tim.

You were. Bob Myers said " There are those amongst us here (reeky)
who actually teach the military riding classes." to which you replied
"Good for you, then. However you are certainly amongst the minority in
Reeky."

> Bob Nixon.. Last post on my part in this thread!

As it should be. You've been crosposting continuously while whining
about Bryan's crosspost (all you had to do was remove reeky from the
newsgroup list, but you didn't) and now you can't even remember what
you wrote YESTERDAY.