In "Re: Can he name it?" S'mee wrote:

> Then again, you know me. Owning a V-Max wouldn't last long. I'd either
> be dead or inside a prison cell they not only lost the keys to, they
> even lost the cell and the prison it was in. 8^) I can't help it, it's
> these damn roads they make me do bad things.

I've been planning to build a streetfighter out of a (gasp shudder)
sportbike. Gearing down the final drive could make it into a real
torque monster.

Thing is if I'm anything like S'mee (and I suspect I am) this whole
project could be a fast-track to the nearest Trauma Unit. Luckily a new
V-Max is beyond my reach, but not a used GSX-R750 or equivalent.

There's a list of mods on Wiki (see below). One thing they don't include
is a sticky rear tire for better traction. The whole objective is
gut-wrenching acceleration, but there's no point modifying the sprocket
ratios to the point where the thing just sits there smoking its tire or
executes uncontrollable wheelies.

Actually I expect p.jm to reply in his huffy sort of way about unskilled
people trying to re-engineer their bikes, and that's exactly what I have
in mind. Now lemme see... the GSX-R750 has a top speed of 185 mph. I'd
be happy with half that, so I'll simply double the final drive ratio.
Problem solved.

I also want to do some canyon riding in the local mountains so I'll need
decent handling.

Anyway for the moment I'm tearing up the local streets on my mighty S40,
_pretending_ it's a streetfighter. It's 35 hp mill isn't likely to auger
me quite as badly.

Modifications commonly made to custom streetfighters
----------------------------------------------------
Clip-on handlebars replaced with motocross-style handlebars
Raised rear subframes
Most fairings removed, modified or replaced
Distinctive paint schemes
Loud aftermarket exhaust systems
Aftermarket headlights to replace often heavy headlight setups
Large rear sprockets to sacrifice top speed for more acceleration
Larger brake discs than stock
Improved brake calipers
Improved springs, shock absorbers, and various other parts to improve
the chassis
Various performance improvements to the engine: superchargers,
turbochargers, nitrous oxide, increased cylinder bores, custom porting,
revamped fuel injection and timing, etc.
Ironically, some examples are so highly customized as to actually exceed
the cost of the original repairs. Chromed and/or modified frames,
expensive engine work, re-routed cables, various appearance accessories,
and custom paint are also often seen.

-- from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetfighter

Sean_Q_
'99 FLHTCUI / '06 S40 / '81 CB750 AMEN chopper / various round tuits

Sean_Q_ wrote:

> In "Re: Can he name it?" S'mee wrote:
>
> > Then again, you know me. Owning a V-Max wouldn't last long. I'd either
> > be dead or inside a prison cell they not only lost the keys to, they
> > even lost the cell and the prison it was in. 8^) I can't help it, it's
> > these damn roads they make me do bad things.
>
> I've been planning to build a streetfighter out of a (gasp shudder)
> sportbike.

Why shudder? That's how you make a fighter, isn't it? Are you supposed to
start with a cruiser, or what?

> Gearing down the final drive could make it into a real
> torque monster.

Try it with stock gearing first, though. If you use a moderately recent
sportbike it should be really powerful anyway, with plenty of gears to
choose, and having a mildly overgeared top may come in handy on longer
rides. Saves fuel, less vibration and so on.

> Thing is if I'm anything like S'mee (and I suspect I am) this whole
> project could be a fast-track to the nearest Trauma Unit. Luckily a new
> V-Max is beyond my reach, but not a used GSX-R750 or equivalent.
>
> There's a list of mods on Wiki (see below). One thing they don't include
> is a sticky rear tire for better traction. The whole objective is
> gut-wrenching acceleration, but there's no point modifying the sprocket
> ratios to the point where the thing just sits there smoking its tire or
> executes uncontrollable wheelies.

That's the problem.

> Actually I expect p.jm to reply in his huffy sort of way about unskilled
> people trying to re-engineer their bikes, and that's exactly what I have
> in mind. Now lemme see... the GSX-R750 has a top speed of 185 mph. I'd
> be happy with half that, so I'll simply double the final drive ratio.
> Problem solved.

You are out of you mind, man. I've an old heavy lump of oil-cooled Suzuki
with stock gearing, and I rarely am able to use full power (that is WFO
throttle close to redline), because my tire isn't able to transfer all that
to the road. Stock GSXR750 is _much_ stronger than my dinosaur.

Ride it with stock gearing first, then think about dropping one tooth in
front sprocket _or_ adding three teeth to the rear sprocket. Crazy huge
rear sprockets are good only for stunt riding.

> I also want to do some canyon riding in the local mountains so I'll need
> decent handling.

Leave it stock too. It's fairly good as it is. Better shock absorber could
be an option, but people rarely are able to tune those things properly.

> Anyway for the moment I'm tearing up the local streets on my mighty S40,
> _pretending_ it's a streetfighter. It's 35 hp mill isn't likely to auger
> me quite as badly.

It's a totally different world. You simply can't use full throttle on a
powerful machine most of the time.

[Damn, I didn't realize that you just quote from Wiki, and I tried to answer
to all that. It looked like a pipe dream! ;-)]

--
Andrzej Rosa

On Aug 26, 9:25�am, Sean_Q_ <nos...@no.sapm> wrote:

> I've been planning to build a streetfighter out of a (gasp shudder)
> sportbike. Gearing down the final drive could make it into a real
> torque monster.

Go find a bunch of Stuntahs and hang around them and see how they dare
each other to do crazy/stupid stunts.

But don't show up on a nice sport bike to watch them stunt in a
parking lot at midnight.

One of them will follow you home and steal your sportbike for parts...

"Sean_Q_" <nospam@no.sapm> wrote in message
news8Wsk.219910$gc5.130140@pd7urf2no...
Modifications commonly made to custom streetfighters
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Clip-on handlebars replaced with motocross-style handlebars

That sounds expensive.
I wanted to get motocross bars for my F4i, just for the comfort, I found
these but found them a bit too expensive for a 7 year old bike at $500:

http://www.spieglerusa.com/cfm/sbk.cfm



Plus I'd need new cables and brake lines.

I say just get an SV650 or Ducati Monster and be done with it and ride. The
vtwins I've ridden are way more enjoyable than my I4.

You won't be disappointed.

On Aug 26, 9:25 am, Sean_Q_ <nos...@no.sapm> wrote:

> I've been planning to build a streetfighter out of a (gasp shudder)
> sportbike. Gearing down the final drive could make it into a real
> torque monster.

> Most fairings removed, modified or replaced

I thought you were supposed to begin the process
by dropping and/or lowsiding your sportbike a few
times until most of the plastic had been removed.

Then claim you did it on purpose.

On Aug 26, 4:12*pm, JREwing <Buteo.linea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 26, 9:25 am, Sean_Q_ <nos...@no.sapm> wrote:
>
> > I've been planning to build a streetfighter out of a (gasp shudder)
> > sportbike. Gearing down the final drive could make it into a real
> > torque monster.
>
> Go find a bunch of Stuntahs and hang around them and see how they dare
> each other to do crazy/stupid stunts.
>
> But don't show up on a nice sport bike to watch them stunt in a
> parking lot at midnight.
>
> One of them will follow you home and steal your sportbike for parts...

AH finally the curmudgeon attempts humour.

BryanUT wrote:

> I say just get an SV650 or Ducati Monster and be done with it and ride. The
> vtwins I've ridden are way more enjoyable than my I4.

I've heard others say this.

I actually prefer the I4 on my Bandit 600 to the twin in my V Strom 1000
for street riding. The I4 builds smoothly and progressively to a rush
at the top. The twin is more like a tractor engine. Starting into the
rpm's you think, "whoah, this is going to be good," but no, after about
3.5K rpm, it's all the same.

Plus the 1000CC engine is a total waste for city driving. Let out the
clutch, put put put, you're speeding. On the little Bandit, on the
other hand, I feel like I'm going faster than I actually am. I really
think that's a good thing.

Climbing sharply on a 75 MPH freeway at 8000 feet elevation, 2-up with
the luggage full of camping gear, then the 1000 CC of the twin comes
into play. Crawling up a jeep trail in the same configuration, then the
low-speed torque of the twin comes into play. But for squiggly road
riding, the I4 is more fun.

And by the way, the idea of gearing a superbike down to 90MPH top speed
is ridiculous. Those bikes will wheelie in the first few gears on stock
tires anyways.

On Aug 26, 6:51�pm, "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 26, 4:12�pm, JREwing <Buteo.linea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > One of them will follow you home and steal your sportbike for parts...
>
> AH finally the curmudgeon attempts humour.


"Humour"? That actually happened to a sportrider on another NG.

On Aug 26, 4:52�pm, "BryanUT" <nestl...@comcast.net> wrote:

> I wanted to get motocross bars for my F4i, just for the comfort, I found
> these but found them a bit too expensive for a 7 year old bike at $500:

There's a sucker born every minute, among the posers...

You could put tubular bars on your Honda by simply drilling two holes
in the upper triple clamp and using handlebar clamps from some old
dirtbike.

For instance, my 1968 Yamaha DT-1 had handlebar clamps that bolted
onto the triple clamp.

http://webservices.motorsportdealers.../0605/0027.Gif

50 SKU: 214-23441-00-00 HOLDER, HANDLE UPPER
51 SKU: 214-23442-01-00 HOLDER, HANDLE UNDER

The whole modification would cost about $50, including the handlebars
and all the hardware.

JREwing wrote:

> On Aug 26, 4:52�pm, "BryanUT" <nestl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I wanted to get motocross bars for my F4i, just for the comfort, I found
>> these but found them a bit too expensive for a 7 year old bike at $500:
>
> There's a sucker born every minute, among the posers...
>
> You could put tubular bars on your Honda by simply drilling two holes
> in the upper triple clamp and using handlebar clamps from some old
> dirtbike.

It depends how strongly is your upper yoke made. Those new jobbies have
paper thin alloy in places, and you try to rely on its strength. I'd
machine inserts, maybe some big washers too, to spread the load some.

> For instance, my 1968 Yamaha DT-1 had handlebar clamps that bolted
> onto the triple clamp.
>
>
http://webservices.motorsportdealers.../0605/0027.Gif
>
> 50 SKU: 214-23441-00-00 HOLDER, HANDLE UPPER
> 51 SKU: 214-23442-01-00 HOLDER, HANDLE UNDER
>
> The whole modification would cost about $50, including the handlebars
> and all the hardware.

You still need longer cables, brake lines and maybe clutch line too. For
some people buying a whole kit for $500 may not be such a bad idea. If it
is a simple bolt on? Why not.

--
Andrzej Rosa

Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:

> On Aug 26, 9:25 am, Sean_Q_ <nos...@no.sapm> wrote:
>
>> I've been planning to build a streetfighter out of a (gasp shudder)
>> sportbike. Gearing down the final drive could make it into a real
>> torque monster.
>
>> Most fairings removed, modified or replaced
>
> I thought you were supposed to begin the process
> by dropping and/or lowsiding your sportbike a few
> times until most of the plastic had been removed.
>
> Then claim you did it on purpose.

There is a load of people who build fighters on purpose. Some of them have
the same machine for tens of years, which undergoes a process of constant
modification. Brits are fairly good at it and I happen to like Dutch style
too. Also Germans do it, though they have a peculiar taste.

But people do it on purpose, all right. In Europe there is a huge scene of
fighter builders. Shows, awards and all.

--
Andrzej Rosa

On Aug 26, 9:27*pm, JREwing <Buteo.linea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 26, 6:51 pm, "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 26, 4:12 pm, JREwing <Buteo.linea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > One of them will follow you home and steal your sportbike for parts....
>
> > AH finally the curmudgeon attempts humour.
>
> "Humour"? That actually happened to a sportrider on another NG.

What you read and what happened might not be the same thing.
--
Keith

On Aug 27, 5:13�am, Andrzej Rosa <bakt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> You still need longer cables, brake lines and maybe clutch line too. �For
> some people buying a whole kit for $500 may not be such a bad idea. �If it
> is a simple bolt on? �Why not.

OK, so add another $50 for generic braided steel hoses and longer
generic cables. Maybe some extra wiring harness.

But the major expense in the Spiegler kits is that limited production
upper triple clamp.

It's amazing how style evolves, from the Broke Biker who can't get the
money necessary replace his trashed plastic parts, to the RUB, who
can't afford the *time* required to emulate the style set by the Broke
Biker...

Then there's BryanUTroll, who has a garage full of old broke bikes and
dreams of $10K Ducatis.

He's the type who should actually buy a production Streetfighter like
that bug-eyed Hinkley triple...

JREwing wrote:

> On Aug 27, 5:13�am, Andrzej Rosa <bakt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> You still need longer cables, brake lines and maybe clutch line too. �For
>> some people buying a whole kit for $500 may not be such a bad idea. �If
>> it is a simple bolt on? �Why not.
>
> OK, so add another $50 for generic braided steel hoses and longer
> generic cables. Maybe some extra wiring harness.
>
> But the major expense in the Spiegler kits is that limited production
> upper triple clamp.
>
> It's amazing how style evolves, from the Broke Biker who can't get the
> money necessary replace his trashed plastic parts, to the RUB, who
> can't afford the *time* required to emulate the style set by the Broke
> Biker...

Well, it always worked this way, didn't it? From chopper crowd, through
cafe racers to more recent streetfighters. But it doesn't mean that a
fighterized sportbike isn't a good bike. Sportbikes are one trick ponies,
which live in the environment where they can't truly display their tricks.
Fighterized sportbike at least won't give you cramps all over after several
hours in the saddle, you will be able to see something beside your elbows
in the mirrors and you will have a slightly lower chance of being caught
speeding. Not bad for a bike built mostly for looks.

> Then there's BryanUTroll, who has a garage full of old broke bikes and
> dreams of $10K Ducatis.
>
> He's the type who should actually buy a production Streetfighter like
> that bug-eyed Hinkley triple...

They tend to have unadjustable suspension (not sure about Hinkley), which is
a show stopper for me.

--
Andrzej Rosa

On Aug 27, 7:11*am, JREwing <Buteo.linea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 27, 5:13 am, Andrzej Rosa <bakt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > You still need longer cables, brake lines and maybe clutch line too. For
> > some people buying a whole kit for $500 may not be such a bad idea. If it
> > is a simple bolt on? Why not.
>
> OK, so add another $50 for generic braided steel hoses and longer
> generic cables. Maybe some extra wiring harness.
>
> But the major expense in the Spiegler kits is that limited production
> upper triple clamp.
>
> It's amazing how style evolves, from the Broke Biker who can't get the
> money necessary replace his trashed plastic parts, to the RUB, who
> can't afford the *time* required to emulate the style set by the Broke
> Biker...

Not really, many of them in the past were that broke biker that built
a bike. Not something a fake like you could do. 8^)

> Then there's BryanUTroll, who has a garage full of old broke bikes and
> dreams of $10K Ducatis.

He ain't the only one mr. fraud...

> He's the type who should actually buy a production Streetfighter like
> that bug-eyed Hinkley triple...

If it were my style I'd have one. I prefer standard FYVM.
--
Keith

On Aug 26, 7:14*pm, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Aug 26, 9:25 am, Sean_Q_ <nos...@no.sapm> wrote:
>
> > I've been planning to build a streetfighter out of a (gasp shudder)
> > sportbike. Gearing down the final drive could make it into a real
> > torque monster.
> > Most fairings removed, modified or replaced
>
> I thought you were supposed to begin the process
> by dropping and/or lowsiding your sportbike a few
> times until most of the plastic had been removed.
>
> Then claim you did it on purpose.

DUH #1 rule NEVER admit you screwed up a binned it.
--
Keith

On Aug 27, 7:11*am, JREwing <Buteo.linea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 27, 5:13 am, Andrzej Rosa <bakt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Then there's BryanUTroll, who has a garage full of old broke bikes and
> dreams of $10K Ducatis.
>

Since when is 1 1970s Honda Trail 90 a garage full? I fixed up and
sold the 2 stroke dirt bikes over a year ago.
They were fun to work on. The Trail 90 should provide me hours of
enjoyment this winter. Fiddling about in the work room is a great way
to spend a cold winter day.

> He's the type who should actually buy a production Streetfighter like
> that bug-eyed Hinkley triple...

Nah, I think I'll buy what I want, when I want.

On Aug 27, 10:20*am, Andrzej Rosa <bakt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
SNIP
> They tend to have unadjustable suspension (not sure about Hinkley), whichis
> a show stopper for me. *

Oh I dunno. You can take a 30 years old Goldwing for example. The rear
can be adjusted for rebound not compresion but the works shocks do a
nice job. The front is not adjustable except for oil weight and
actually changing the springs. 8^) But you'd be surprised at how much
you can do with that little to work with.

On Aug 27, 11:18*am, BryanUT <nestl...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Aug 27, 7:11*am, JREwing <Buteo.linea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 27, 5:13 am, Andrzej Rosa <bakt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Then there's BryanUTroll, who has a garage full of old broke bikes and
> > dreams of $10K Ducatis.
>
> Since when is 1 1970s Honda Trail 90 a garage full? *I fixed up and
> sold the 2 stroke dirt bikes over a year ago.
> They were fun to work on. *The Trail 90 should provide me hours of
> enjoyment this winter. *Fiddling about in the work room is a great way
> to spend a cold winter day.
>
> > He's the type who should actually buy a production Streetfighter like
> > that bug-eyed Hinkley triple...
>
> Nah, I think I'll buy what I want, when I want.

Wimp do two projects at once! I get to fabircate a DR370 from the
header to tip of the exhaust. (oddly enough the LARGE can of Bush's
beans is the size of the OEM primary muffler) then I get to build the
secondary...maybe a Campbells Cream of Mushroom.
THEN I've got to clean up a T-500 bottom end and top end by
electrolysis. Same method I'm going to use on the fuel and oil tank.
The real headache will be rebuilding the wiring and sourcing turn
signals I like.
--
keith
taking a break from rebuilding the front porch

On Aug 27, 9:47�am, "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 27, 7:11�am, JREwing <Buteo.linea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Then there's BryanUTroll, who has a garage full of old broke bikes and
> > dreams of $10K Ducatis.
>
> He ain't the only one mr. fraud...

It's spelled "f-r-e-u-d", FYI, and we're aware that you own a bunch of
old broke down relics.
>
> > He's the type who should actually buy a production Streetfighter like
> > that bug-eyed Hinkley triple...
>
> If it were my style I'd have one.

You mean, if you had the coin jingling in your pocket, you'd run down
to the
hobby shop and buy a radio-controlled toy MC.

That's about *your* speed...

On Aug 27, 9:20�am, Andrzej Rosa <bakt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> JREwing wrote:


> Sportbikes are one trick ponies,
> which live in the environment where they can't truly display their tricks..

True, they are racetrack refugees.

> Fighterized sportbike at least won't give you cramps all over after several
> hours in the saddle, you will be able to see something beside your elbows
> in the mirrors and you will have a slightly lower chance of being caught
> speeding. �Not bad for a bike built mostly for looks.

Yabbot, you might annoy some uptight law enforcement prick who also
rides and *doesn't like* rat bikes or "streetfighters" or sportbikes
that have been repainted
non-stock colors.

The *onliest* way you can avoid law enforcement attention to your
motorcycle is to never own one in the first place.

> > He's the type who should actually buy a production Streetfighter like
> > that bug-eyed Hinkley triple...
>
> They tend to have unadjustable suspension (not sure about Hinkley), whichis
> a show stopper for me. �

Compression and rebound adjustments on your typical Showa or Kayaba
fork don't change the shape of the damping curve, they just move the
curve up or down in relation to the stroke.

To get a better fork, you have to spend the price of a motorcycle on a
set of Ohlins forks.

But, when you get into suspension tuning, 95% of all riders get their
bike set up for their usual ride, and hen never touch the adjusters
again...

On Aug 27, 10:18�am, BryanUT <nestl...@comcast.net> wrote:

> The Trail 90 should provide me hours of
> enjoyment this winter. �Fiddling about in the work room is a great way
> to spend a cold winter day.

Well, that will take an hour, won't it? Then you're back in front of
the boobtube for the rest of the winter...
>
> > He's the type who should actually buy a production Streetfighter like
> > that bug-eyed Hinkley triple...
>
> Nah, I think I'll buy what I want, when I want.

It don't matter what you ride, it won't change your life, except to
maybe make your less-well-off friends temporarily jealous of your new
ride.

On Aug 27, 11:12�am, "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Wimp do two projects at once! I get to fabircate a DR370 from the
> header to tip of the exhaust. (oddly enough the LARGE can of Bush's
> beans is the size of the OEM primary muffler) then I get to build the
> secondary...maybe a Campbells Cream of Mushroom.

The gauge of the sheet metal is too thin. Have a sheet metal shop roll
some stainless steel cylinders for you and tig weld the seam.

S'mee wrote:

> On Aug 27, 10:20Â*am, Andrzej Rosa <bakt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> SNIP
>> They tend to have unadjustable suspension (not sure about Hinkley), which
>> is a show stopper for me.
>
> Oh I dunno. You can take a 30 years old Goldwing for example. The rear
> can be adjusted for rebound not compresion but the works shocks do a
> nice job. The front is not adjustable except for oil weight and
> actually changing the springs. 8^)

Air gap, spring spacers, those racetech emulators - sure. It will work. I
just won't pay for a bike which has unadjustable upside-down forks. It
freaking drives me nuts to just look at that nonsense.

> But you'd be surprised at how much
> you can do with that little to work with.

Surprised? No, not really. ;-)

--
Andrzej Rosa

.. wrote:

> On Aug 27, 9:20�am, Andrzej Rosa <bakt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Fighterized sportbike at least won't give you cramps all over after
>> several hours in the saddle, you will be able to see something beside
>> your elbows in the mirrors and you will have a slightly lower chance of
>> being caught speeding. �Not bad for a bike built mostly for looks.
>
> Yabbot, you might annoy some uptight law enforcement prick who also
> rides and *doesn't like* rat bikes or "streetfighters" or sportbikes
> that have been repainted
> non-stock colors.
>
> The *onliest* way you can avoid law enforcement attention to your
> motorcycle is to never own one in the first place.

It becomes true around here too. Young guns have seen too many Ghostrider
clips and are toying with the Police, which makes it difficult for all the
rest of the bikers. But up to now I managed to talk myself out of every
encounter, so I can't complain.

>> > He's the type who should actually buy a production Streetfighter like
>> > that bug-eyed Hinkley triple...
>>
>> They tend to have unadjustable suspension (not sure about Hinkley), which
>> is a show stopper for me. �
>
> Compression and rebound adjustments on your typical Showa or Kayaba
> fork don't change the shape of the damping curve, they just move the
> curve up or down in relation to the stroke.

To speed, not stroke, but you are right. I'd prefer to have a slightly less
linear damping curve on my front, for example, but stock one isn't bad too.

> To get a better fork, you have to spend the price of a motorcycle on a
> set of Ohlins forks.

That's one way. The other way would be to revalve your forks, which would
be much cheaper. And of course you can have a shock absorber which has
separate setting for low speed and high speed damping. It works fine, if
you spend ages fine tuning the system. ;-)

> But, when you get into suspension tuning, 95% of all riders get their
> bike set up for their usual ride, and hen never touch the adjusters
> again...

The practical advantage here is that you _can_ setup those forks to your
weight, riding style, roads, whatever. I don't fiddle with settings much
too, once I'm close to the ballpark. A click here or there is all I
change.

--
Andrzej Rosa

On Aug 27, 12:28*pm, "." <yefelnag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 27, 9:47 am, "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 27, 7:11 am, JREwing <Buteo.linea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Then there's BryanUTroll, who has a garage full of old broke bikes and
> > > dreams of $10K Ducatis.
>
> > He ain't the only one mr. fraud...
>
> It's spelled "f-r-e-u-d", FYI, and we're aware that you own a bunch of
> old broke down relics.
>
>
>
> > > He's the type who should actually buy a production Streetfighter like
> > > that bug-eyed Hinkley triple...
>
> > If it were my style I'd have one.
>
> You mean, if you had the coin jingling in your pocket, you'd run down
> to the
> hobby shop and buy a radio-controlled toy MC.
>
> That's about *your* speed...

Say what you want JR. Your post makes it appear you are
jealous...allah know why though. Probally because I'm able to rebuild
a rusted out KLR exhaust and you are so unskilled you have to pay
someone else to put on a brand new tassel when they fall off your
tricycle.

What a sad, pathetic little man you are.
--
Keith

On Aug 27, 12:37*pm, "." <yefelnag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 27, 9:20 am, Andrzej Rosa <bakt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > JREwing wrote:
> > Sportbikes are one trick ponies,
> > which live in the environment where they can't truly display their tricks.
>
> True, they are racetrack refugees.
>
> > Fighterized sportbike at least won't give you cramps all over after several
> > hours in the saddle, you will be able to see something beside your elbows
> > in the mirrors and you will have a slightly lower chance of being caught
> > speeding. Not bad for a bike built mostly for looks.
>
> Yabbot, you might annoy some uptight law enforcement prick who also
> rides and *doesn't like* rat bikes or "streetfighters" or sportbikes
> that have been repainted
> non-stock colors.

So? Like anybody really gives a fuck who's annoyed at what their bike
looks like. I know I could give shit what you or any 50 thinks and if
you don't like it either ignore it OR start something. I triple dog
dare you...punk.

> The *onliest* way you can avoid law enforcement attention to your
> motorcycle is to never own one in the first place.

heh for the first time in years you said something that is true...I
admit it I am suprised you could be really truthful without using a
sock puppet.

> > > He's the type who should actually buy a production Streetfighter like
> > > that bug-eyed Hinkley triple...
>
> > They tend to have unadjustable suspension (not sure about Hinkley), which is
> > a show stopper for me.
>
> Compression and rebound adjustments on your typical Showa or Kayaba
> fork don't change the shape of the damping curve, they just move the
> curve up or down in relation to the stroke.

Your point being dufous? I mean what are you trying to say dumkopf.

> To get a better fork, you have to spend the price of a motorcycle on a
> set of Ohlins forks.

Gee apparant ignorance of other shocks is a license to act smart. In
your case you are acting.

> But, when you get into suspension tuning, 95% of all riders get their
> bike set up for their usual ride, and hen never touch the adjusters
> again...

So? Big whoop de gawd damn fuckiing doo. The ones who do track days
otoh change the settings to something else. Often they play with the
settings or they change things based on the weather. Oh dear did you
forget to change the tire pressure!!! You really ought to adjust that
every time you turn off to another road!!!!! Oh it's so scary!!!

Krusty ass you are such a loser. You aren't even as funny as a
roadkilled possum.
--
Keith

On Aug 27, 12:12*pm, "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 27, 11:18*am, BryanUT <nestl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 27, 7:11*am, JREwing <Buteo.linea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 27, 5:13 am, Andrzej Rosa <bakt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Then there's BryanUTroll, who has a garage full of old broke bikes and
> > > dreams of $10K Ducatis.
>
> > Since when is 1 1970s Honda Trail 90 a garage full? *I fixed up and
> > sold the 2 stroke dirt bikes over a year ago.
> > They were fun to work on. *The Trail 90 should provide me hours of
> > enjoyment this winter. *Fiddling about in the work room is a great way
> > to spend a cold winter day.
>
> > > He's the type who should actually buy a production Streetfighter like
> > > that bug-eyed Hinkley triple...
>
> > Nah, I think I'll buy what I want, when I want.
>
> Wimp do two projects at once! I get to fabircate a DR370 from the
> header to tip of the exhaust. (oddly enough the LARGE can of Bush's
> beans is the size of the OEM primary muffler) then I get to build the
> secondary...maybe a Campbells Cream of Mushroom.
> THEN I've got to clean up a T-500 bottom end and top end by
> electrolysis. Same method I'm going to use on the fuel and oil tank.
> The real headache will be rebuilding the wiring and sourcing turn
> signals I like.
> --
> keith
> taking a break from rebuilding the front porch- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I ment to insert "Exhaust system" a sure sign of enough caffiene.

On Aug 27, 12:43*pm, "." <yefelnag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 27, 11:12 am, "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Wimp do two projects at once! I get to fabircate a DR370 from the
> > header to tip of the exhaust. (oddly enough the LARGE can of Bush's
> > beans is the size of the OEM primary muffler) then I get to build the
> > secondary...maybe a Campbells Cream of Mushroom.
>
> The gauge of the sheet metal is too thin. Have a sheet metal shop roll
> some stainless steel cylinders for you and tig weld the seam.

I could if such a thing existed anywhere with in range. Thankyou
dimbulb for stating the obvious. What other obvious thing are you
going to say next?
--
Keith

On Aug 27, 12:20�pm, Andrzej Rosa <bakt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> And of course you can have a shock absorber which has
> separate setting for low speed and high speed damping. �It works fine, if
> you spend ages fine tuning the system. ;-)

Penske shocks have that feature. I was talking to an SCCA Formula 2000
racer about the lay-down Penskes on his recently-acquired racer.

There was something like $6000 worth of Penske shocks on that car...

He said that low-speed damping adjustment was for control and high
speed damping adjustment was for ride comfort (such as it is in a
stiffly-sprung racer).

He said that all of that was new to him, as he'd come from a dirt
track background where a set of worn out Monroe shocks was the hot set
up...

Slow speed damping was controlled by moving a tapered needle in an
orifice, and high speed damping was by adjustable shim stacks.

But if the clickers and knobs don't change the damping enough,
eventually disassembly and messing about with the greasy parts is
required.

That's time consuming with the "conventional" shock, but the problem
as been addressed.

Nowadays, Indy cars have lay-down shocks with quick-change valving.

Each valve looks like a stainless steel spool, and the valves can be
switched without disassembling the shock absorber body itself, and
apparently without having to re-pressurize the nitrogen reservoir.

There are four valve spools in each shock and the suspension tuner has
boxes and boxes of quick change shock absorber valves...