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Old 08-22-2008, 01:20 PM
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http://news.aol.com/article/feds-say...847x1200447479

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Old 08-22-2008, 02:06 PM
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"saddlebag" <saddlebag@aol.com> wrote in message
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> http://news.aol.com/article/feds-say...847x1200447479


You just have to provoke him, don't you? The rest of us already have
figured this out.....its not like its news to us.


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Old 08-23-2008, 08:10 AM
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On Aug 22, 6:06*am, "TroytheTroll" <f4_...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> You just have to provoke him, don't you? The rest of us already have
> figured this out.....its not like its news to us.


I'm beginning to think that Hen3ry may have been telling the truth
when he claimed to have found a girl. Over the years I've seen two or
three of the most rabid, prolific, and vitrolic troll/nutcases in
various online groups suddenly go silent once they start getting laid
regularly and their priorities change... (Well, either that or the
guys in the black helicopters finally nabbed him.)

If its the former, I wish him luck.


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Old 08-23-2008, 11:56 AM
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On Aug 23, 3:10*am, Twibil <jose.now...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 22, 6:06*am, "TroytheTroll" <f4_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You just have to provoke him, don't you? The rest of us already have
> > figured this out.....its not like its news to us.

>
> I'm beginning to think that Hen3ry may have been telling the truth
> when he claimed to have found a girl. Over the years I've seen two or
> three of the most rabid, prolific, and vitrolic troll/nutcases in
> various online groups suddenly go silent once they start getting laid
> regularly and their priorities change... *(Well, either that or the
> guys in the black helicopters finally nabbed him.)
>
> If its the former, I wish him luck.


And if it's the latter???

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Old 08-23-2008, 12:48 PM
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:20:05 -0700 (PDT), saddlebag <saddlebag@aol.com> wrote:

>http://news.aol.com/article/feds-say...847x1200447479


You might as well tell the Pope that God is a myth.

Ben

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Old 08-23-2008, 03:05 PM
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"Twibil" <jose.noway6@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 22, 6:06 am, "TroytheTroll" <f4_...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> You just have to provoke him, don't you? The rest of us already
>> have
>> figured this out.....its not like its news to us.


>I'm beginning to think that Hen3ry may have been telling the truth
>when he claimed to have found a girl. Over the years I've seen two or
>three of the most rabid, prolific, and vitrolic troll/nutcases in
>various online groups suddenly go silent once they start getting laid
>regularly and their priorities change...


Now THAT is a reasonable theory.


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Old 08-23-2008, 03:06 PM
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"Ben Kaufman" <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote in
message news:i6uva418vpu5ga0s8j01jg7ptvaadbufii@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:20:05 -0700 (PDT), saddlebag
> <saddlebag@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>http://news.aol.com/article/feds-say...847x1200447479

>
> You might as well tell the Pope that God is a myth.
>
> Ben


He already knows. Its the gullible underlings who actually believe and
cause all the trouble....


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Old 08-23-2008, 03:16 PM
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TroytheTroll <f4_boy@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Twibil" <jose.noway6@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b602c374-0c22-44d4-b119-3575056f1167@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 22, 6:06 am, "TroytheTroll" <f4_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> You just have to provoke him, don't you? The rest of us already
> >> have
> >> figured this out.....its not like its news to us.

>
> >I'm beginning to think that Hen3ry may have been telling the truth
> >when he claimed to have found a girl. Over the years I've seen two or
> >three of the most rabid, prolific, and vitrolic troll/nutcases in
> >various online groups suddenly go silent once they start getting laid
> >regularly and their priorities change...

>
> Now THAT is a reasonable theory.


Triple H getting a girlfriend? Hm. It's on the same level of probability
as Elvis having brought down the WTC, but miracles happen.

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Old 08-23-2008, 06:24 PM
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Turby <turbosurfer@beach.comber> wrote:

> Nice thought, but I think his ISP dropped Usenet


Are they *really* doing that in the US?

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Old 08-23-2008, 06:25 PM
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On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:10:33 -0700 (PDT), Twibil
<jose.noway6@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Aug 22, 6:06*am, "TroytheTroll" <f4_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You just have to provoke him, don't you? The rest of us already have
>> figured this out.....its not like its news to us.

>
>I'm beginning to think that Hen3ry may have been telling the truth
>when he claimed to have found a girl. Over the years I've seen two or
>three of the most rabid, prolific, and vitrolic troll/nutcases in
>various online groups suddenly go silent once they start getting laid
>regularly and their priorities change... (Well, either that or the
>guys in the black helicopters finally nabbed him.)
>
>If its the former, I wish him luck.


Nice thought, but I think his ISP dropped Usenet and he found another
game to play.

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Old 08-23-2008, 06:47 PM
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"saddlebag" <saddlebag@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> I'm beginning to think that Hen3ry may have been telling the truth
>> when he claimed to have found a girl. Over the years I've seen two or
>> three of the most rabid, prolific, and vitrolic troll/nutcases in
>> various online groups suddenly go silent once they start getting laid
>> regularly and their priorities change... (Well, either that or the
>> guys in the black helicopters finally nabbed him.)
>>
>> If its the former, I wish him luck.


> And if it's the latter???


Then we should all wish THEM luck...

Bob M.



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Old 08-23-2008, 06:50 PM
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"The Older Gentleman" <totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Turby <turbosurfer@beach.comber> wrote:
>
>> Nice thought, but I think his ISP dropped Usenet

>
> Are they *really* doing that in the US?


Yes, unfortunately quite a few of the big ISPs have
or are in the process of dropping Usenet; they don't
want anything that takes traffic away from their own
(often commercial-laden) chat, IM, etc., services.
AOL did this a long time ago, as part of their long,
ongoing descent into the hellhole they are today.

These days, you basically need to sign up with a
special Usenet provider or hope your employer
maintains their newsfeeds, as mine does.

Bob M.



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Old 08-23-2008, 07:02 PM
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Bob Myers <nospamplease@address.invalid> wrote:

> "The Older Gentleman" <totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1im51t1.vbzvmmk1ws9mN%totallydeadmailbox@yaho o.co.uk...
> > Turby <turbosurfer@beach.comber> wrote:
> >
> >> Nice thought, but I think his ISP dropped Usenet

> >
> > Are they *really* doing that in the US?

>
> Yes, unfortunately quite a few of the big ISPs have
> or are in the process of dropping Usenet; they don't
> want anything that takes traffic away from their own
> (often commercial-laden) chat, IM, etc., services.
> AOL did this a long time ago, as part of their long,
> ongoing descent into the hellhole they are today.
>
> These days, you basically need to sign up with a
> special Usenet provider or hope your employer
> maintains their newsfeeds, as mine does.
>

Hm. AFAIK, most British ISPs keep their news servers running. However
some certainly throttle nntp traffic at peak times, to put off the file
sharers, which buggers Usenet.


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Old 08-23-2008, 07:08 PM
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On Aug 23, 3:56*am, saddlebag <saddle...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Aug 23, 3:10*am, Twibil <jose.now...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 22, 6:06*am, "TroytheTroll" <f4_...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> > > You just have to provoke him, don't you? The rest of us already have
> > > figured this out.....its not like its news to us.

>
> > I'm beginning to think that Hen3ry may have been telling the truth
> > when he claimed to have found a girl. Over the years I've seen two or
> > three of the most rabid, prolific, and vitrolic troll/nutcases in
> > various online groups suddenly go silent once they start getting laid
> > regularly and their priorities change... *(Well, either that or the
> > guys in the black helicopters finally nabbed him.)

>
> > If its the former, I wish him luck.

>
> And if it's the latter???


Then you're next.

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Old 08-23-2008, 07:14 PM
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On Aug 23, 7:16*am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:

> Triple H getting a girlfriend? Hm. It's on the same level of probability
> as Elvis having brought down the WTC, but miracles happen.


Women see things in men that other men don't see.

For which reason, all the ordinary looking guys such as thee and I
have cause to be grateful.

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Old 08-23-2008, 07:19 PM
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On Aug 23, 10:25*am, Turby <turbosur...@beach.comber> wrote:

> Nice thought, but I think his ISP dropped Usenet and he found another
> game to play.


Possible, but he'd gone to only posting a couple of days a week -
sometimes swearing off entirely for as much as two weeks at a time-
before he completely evaporated.

And he stopped posting entirely a couple of weeks before the ISPs
dropped Usenet.

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Old 08-23-2008, 07:44 PM
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Twibil <jose.noway6@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 23, 7:16 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> Gentleman) wrote:
>
> > Triple H getting a girlfriend? Hm. It's on the same level of probability
> > as Elvis having brought down the WTC, but miracles happen.

>
> Women see things in men that other men don't see.
>
> For which reason, all the ordinary looking guys such as thee and I
> have cause to be grateful.


<VVBG>

*Everyone* who's met her says I don't deserve The Doctor[1].

Who is, this weekend, mostly harvesting the honey from our beehives.

[1] They're right, of course.

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Old 08-23-2008, 10:15 PM
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On Aug 23, 12:14*pm, Twibil <jose.now...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 23, 7:16*am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
>
> Gentleman) wrote:
> > Triple H getting a girlfriend? Hm. It's on the same level of probability
> > as Elvis having brought down the WTC, but miracles happen.

>
> Women see things in men that other men don't see.
>
> For which reason, all the ordinary looking guys such as thee and I
> have cause to be grateful.


HEAR HEAR! You know what is really scary. It's when she keeps you in
domestic AND conubial bliss for 20 years. I tell you this is getting
SCARY with a capital (search closets for body bags etc) <twitch> not
that I'm scared in teh least bit <checks secret get away stash with
passport with new name, matching BC 75k in khroner...the usual stuff
for a weekend>

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Old 08-23-2008, 10:16 PM
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On Aug 23, 11:24*am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:
> Turby <turbosur...@beach.comber> wrote:
> > Nice thought, but I think his ISP dropped Usenet

>
> Are they *really* doing that in the US?


Yes...yes the motherless bastard bean counters are doing that.

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Old 08-23-2008, 11:49 PM
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On Aug 23, 10:05*am, "TroytheTroll" <f4_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Twibil" <jose.now...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b602c374-0c22-44d4-b119-3575056f1167@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 22, 6:06 am, "TroytheTroll" <f4_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> You just have to provoke him, don't you? The rest of us already
> >> have
> >> figured this out.....its not like its news to us.

> >I'm beginning to think that Hen3ry may have been telling the truth
> >when he claimed to have found a girl. Over the years I've seen two or
> >three of the most rabid, prolific, and vitrolic troll/nutcases in
> >various online groups suddenly go silent once they start getting laid
> >regularly and their priorities change...

>
> Now THAT is a reasonable theory.


If that's the case I'll spring for a hooker for ya.

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Old 09-23-2008, 02:51 AM
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"ToytheTool" wrote:
>> "Twitbull" wrote:


>> You just have to provoke him, don't you? The rest of us already
>> have figured this out.....its not like its news to us.


> I'm beginning to think


Quite telling, from the mindless bleating observed in
this thread, is that not one of the sheep addressed any
of the claims in the actual NIST report, which was the
topic of the initial post. The helpless, gullible sheep
predictably regressed to mindlessly obsessing and lying
about their betters. Facts are very difficult things for
their "minds" to process.
Toy the tool stated, "The rest of us already have figured
this out.....its not like its news to us."
As a matter of fact, Toy and other Bush parroting cartoon
conspiracy sheep originally tried to blame WTC7's demolition
on severe structural damage (with no evidence) allegedly
caused by debris impacts, and an invisible raging inferno
that was fueled by thousands of gallons of fuel oil, the
origin of which was based on pure fantasy and zero evidence.
If the sheep could read or think, they'd know that the Bush
regime's WTC7 magic fire/super Arab/caveman cartoon conspiracy
theory has now been changed to something new and unprecedented.
The structural damage/fuel oil fire theory that the sheep so
mindlessly embraced for years is gone - yet another comical
fairy tale that has been abandoned in favor of a new, equally
absurd lie. Ordinary office fires are now capable of causing
an undamaged 47 story hurricane and earth quake resistant steel
framed skyscraper to suddenly disintegrate and drop to the ground
at virtual free fall speed and perfect symmetry - but only on 9-11-01,
and only in NYC, of course. <chuckle>
If Toy and the other sheep had the ability to read or think,
they'd also have seen the poll which shows that half of the
respondents realize that fires could not possibly have caused
WTC7's virtual free fall speed and symmetric "collapse", and
far more than half state that the Bush regime is hiding the
truth about the events of 9-11-01. But sheep don't read or
think - they quite =simply= bleat, so their comical ignorance
is entirely predicted and expected. <vbg>

http://news.aol.com/article/feds-say...847x1200447479

If there are any followers of the "official" conspiracy theory
reading this thread who have the ability to read, think, and defend
their beliefs with something more intelligent than mindless,
irrelevant bleating and obsessing, here are a few questions for
them.

1. How did ordinary office fires cause the severe high temperature
vaporization of steel, as documented in the link below?

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/AppendixC-fema403_apc.pdf

2. NIST's latest conspiracy theory states that an explosion
loud enough to destroy the one column who's failure they imagine
somehow caused the entire steel frame to suddenly disintegrate
and drop at free fall speed would have been louder than any of
the many explosions that were heard. How does this claim rule out
the use of thermite or nano thermite, which cuts steel with far
less noise and would explain the vaporised steel, the extremely
high temperatures, the free fall speed, and the symmetry of the
demolition?

3. How did the BBC "learn" that WTC7 "collapsed" 20 minutes
before it actually "collapsed"?

http://www.wtc7.net/bbc.html

4. Since no steel framed building has ever "collapsed"
in a manner identical to a perfectly executed controlled
demolition, why did the Bush regime refuse to consider the
obvious and test the evidence for demolition? This cave man
is a formidable foe. If he can shut down the entire United
States air defense network, certainly he can demolish a
skyscraper.

4. Hundreds of experts agree that the instant, total, and
symmetric failure of a hurricane and earth quake resistant
steel framed skyscraper can not possibly be caused by the
gradual asymmetric failure of some steel supports due to
gradual heating. Here is a small sampling of these experts
and their research..

http://11syyskuu.blogspot.com/2006/0...-of-wtc-7.html

Where, exactly, do you believe these experts are in error?

To the helpless, clueless, gullible sheep who can only run
and hide behind their killfiles, spew childish lies about
my deceased Mother, my career, or continue to mindlessly
lie and obsess about their betters - thank you for helping
me to prove my case so effectively. convincingly, and
consistently. ;-)





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http://www.911truth.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html


Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/anal...are/fires.html

On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html








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Old 09-23-2008, 02:52 AM
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The Older Clown timidly obsessed:

> Triple H getting...


<the older clown's obsessive lies and childish drivel snipped>

There is nothing on usenet more pathetically amusing
or helpless than a timid, self loathing clown that lies
and obsesses about its betters while hiding and cowering
behind its killfile.
For that reason, I am quite pleased to have the older
clown as my very own most rabidly obsessed ankle biter.
Would that we all could have such laughably impotent
"critics"... <chuckle>

Now, back to the subject under discussion by the older
clown's many betters....


Here are some photos of WTC4, which was much closer to the towers
than WTC7, and was completely gutted by severe fires and partially
crushed by heavy impacts.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid.../wtc4des1.html

This photo of WTC4 really demonstrates the incredible strength of
steel framed buildings.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid...ocs/bjh/14.jpg

Here are some photos of WTC5 & 6 after the tower demolitions.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid...tos/gzpo1.html


WTC7 was a tall narrow 47 story steel framed skyscraper.
It was not hit by a plane.

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/...20Picture1.jpg

This illustration shows the location of the various WTC buildings
as well as the range of debris impact.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/b7/collateral.html

Here are photos of WTC7's "inferno".

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid...wtc7fire1.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/wtc7.html

Here is a video of WTC7's picture perfect controlled demolition.

http://www.911research.com/wtc/evide..._collapse2.mpg

Here are more videos of WTC7's demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html

We're still waiting for followers of the "official" conspiracy
theory to provide us with a logical explanation other than
controlled demolition for the fact that the buildings closest to
the towers remained standing, while WTC7's massive hurricane
resistant steel frame suddenly disintegrated and dropped at virtual
free fall speed and perfect symmetry. Limited, isolated fires can
not possibly cause such a failure. In fact, no steel framed building
has ever collapsed due to fire. Not one. Ever. Controlled demolition
is the only possible cause of WTC7's free fall speed and symmetric
drop. Even Bush's FEMA was forced to admit the following:

"The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building
to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel
on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis
has only a low probability of occurrence. Further research,
investigation, and analyses are needed to resolve this issue."

More expert analysis on the demolition of WTC7 can be found here:

http://11syyskuu.blogspot.com/2006/0...-of-wtc-7.html

This is what happens to steel framed buildings exposed to raging
infernos for hours on end.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/anal...are/fires.html
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

As you can see, these steel framed structures suffered gradual
deformation, but nothing even remotely close to a total symmetric
and free fall speed collapse - and those fires were far hotter
and of much longer duration than the small, isolated fires in
WTC7.


Twin Towers:
The massive reserve strength designed into the steel frames of
the towers could not possibly have been overcome by the force
of gravity alone. The fact that it was exceeded to such an
extreme degree that the undamaged steel frame offered no
measurable resistance, proves conclusively that the lower
structures were destroyed before being impacted by the upper
structures.

From:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...60327100957690

"The Twin Towers and Why They Fell
It would help to begin with an accurate description of the WTC towers
in terms of quality of design and construction. In July of 1971, the
American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) presented a national award
judging the buildings to be "the engineering project that demonstrates
the greatest engineering skills and represents the greatest
contribution to engineering progress and mankind."3 Others noted that
"the World Trade Center towers would have an inherent capacity to
resist unforeseen calamities." This capacity stemmed from the use of
special high-strength steels. In particular, the perimeter columns
were designed with tremendous reserve strength whereby "live loads on
these columns can be increased more than 2,000% before failure occurs.

More on the incredible strength of the towers can be found here:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html

"There is evidence that the Twin Towers were designed with an even
greater measure of reserve strength than typical large buildings.
According to the calculations of engineers who worked on the Towers'
design, all the columns on one side of a Tower could be cut, as well
as the two corners and some of the columns on each adjacent side, and
the building would still be strong enough to withstand a
100-mile-per-hour wind. 3"

The massive steel frames of the towers were far too strong to
collapse only under their own weight. That's been proved through
physics, and that's why no other steel framed buildings have ever
collapsed that way unless they were demolished. See Gordon Ross'
research paper on momentum transfer here:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/a...ansferRoss.pdf

As common sense would dictate, even if all the perimeter and
core columns near the top of the tower were somehow destroyed
simultaneously so that the top 20 stories or so dropped onto the
remaining undamaged frame, after some bending and compression,
the collapse would have stopped, or the upper block would have
fallen off to the side. Gordon Ross proves that with physics.

The official conspiracy requires us to believe that falling
directly =through= the massive undamaged steel frames, including
the 47 interconnected central core columns:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html

provided little more resistance than air. This is proved by
the fact that debris falling outside the towers hit the ground
about the same time as the debris falling through the towers.
Making the government's conspiracy theory even more implausible,
is the fact that the steel at the top of the towers was over
ten times lighter and thinner than the undamaged steel in the
lower section. Look at the massive core column cross section in
the bottom photo.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html

The official conspiracy theory says that crushing 47 of those
columns, all interconnected with even more steel, =and= destroying
all the perimeter columns, =and= "pancaking" all the floors, and
stairways, produced about the same kinetic friction as falling
though air. That, of course, is not physically possible.

Observe the rotating and disintegrating block on the South
Tower.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid.../wtc2exp4.html

Notice that the corners are curved, as the block's internal
destruction is already taking place. If it had not been destroyed
through demolition, it would have continued to rotate and fall off
the building as an intact block. Also, notice that the block is
tilting towards the corner where it was impacted. The opposite
corner was undamaged by impact or fire, as proved by photo
evidence.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid.../wtc2exp1.html

As the top section of that tower is rotating, the high strength,
fire resistant perimeter columns on one side of the building are
being compressed, and on the opposite side, where the building
was not damaged by fire or impact, the weight above them is greatly
reduced.
Why do you think the undamaged steel perimeter frame with reduced
weight above it is exploding and collapsing at the same rate as
the fire and impact damaged side that has most of the weight of the
rotating block on it? Seems more than a little odd, doesn't it? Here's
some information on the perimeter columns.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/perimeter.html

Now watch this video:

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/c...2_explodes.avi

That's not gradual bending and buckling of an over heated steel
frame. Those are huge explosions not unlike those we see in a
controlled demolition. Keep in mind that this is at the onset of
the collapse, so nothing is falling quickly at this point.

More good information on 9-11 can be found here:

http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html







--

http://911research.wtc7.net
http://www.911truth.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html


Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/anal...are/fires.html
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm

Ever wonder who benefits from the 700 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

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Old 09-23-2008, 04:10 AM
hhc314@yahoo.com
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On Sep 22, 9:52*pm, Henry <9...@insidejob.gov> wrote:
> The Older Clown timidly obsessed:
>
> > Triple H getting...

>
> * <the older clown's obsessive lies and childish drivel snipped>
>


Whoa Henry, you should realize that nearly any of the constants that
NIST posts you can replicate to a bit less precision using $30 worth
of simple equipment and in your basement or garage.

Out of curiousity, are you cheating on taking what I assume are your
prescribed meds? I'm not saying this as a flame or a put-down, but I
have 2 very close friends that are bi-polar, and both smarter than
myself. We have this certain key word, which is "Godzilla", and and
all present know what the word implies, and immediately take their
meds. Five minutes later, "Godzilla" has vanished, and ordinary
discussion and argument can continue.

Now for friends and care givers to bi-polar people: Many victums of
this disease are sufficiently educated to realize that they suffer
from the disorder, know it consequence, but cannot on themselves
detect the onset of a manic episode. Heated arugments are not manic
episodes, and person suffering cannot distinguish between a normal
heated argument and a manic episode. Close friends can. That's where
the "magic" word comes into the picture. It operates only when there
is a deep measure of trust between the MD victim and a close friend.
Essentially, in my experience it appears to capture the non-manic part
of a manic-deprissive persons brain function You can then suggest
that they take their meds, which nearly vanish the problem.

Qute bluntly, I had at the age of 10, I'd seen my mother being hauled
away several times by the men in the wite coats that came in the
middle of the night.
I remember once seein my mother chase my father with a butcher's
kife. That's simple fact, and quite accurate, although I was pretty
young at the time. I have to credit the good frrinds of the family and
relatives that sheltered me during this era. The people in my life
were, in those years, rather spectacular. They took in other people's
kids, and raised them as their own...who does that today? Looking
back, my grandparents raised by Aunt Liddy, and my Aunt Lidddy and
Uncle Frank had a great deal to do in raising me.

Funny thing, all of these players in my life are long gone; Likely
because of their influences in my life I am retired from a major
corporatin, hold a couple of degrees, and raised 3 college educated
children. We own our own home free any mortages, and my wife, the love
of my life, still considers me to be potentially bi-polar because of
my mother and even after 49-years of marriage (50, next July 11th.)

Now our friend Henry obviously listens to a very diffent drummer, and
cannot even relate or post on the topic of this thread. Could be
drugs, or his post simply because he has been raised as a spoiled
brat, from who nothing of significance is expected.

I'll let the english language scholars sort this one out and return to
sci.physics.

Harry C.















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Old 09-23-2008, 04:40 AM
Road Glidin' Don
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On Sep 22, 9:10*pm, "hhc...@yahoo.com" <hhc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

<snipped for brevity>

One of the best posts I've seen in a long time. Thanks Harry.



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Old 09-23-2008, 07:12 AM
Grimly Curmudgeon
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Default Re: OT For Henry

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Henry <9-11@insidejob.gov> saying
something like:

> Now, back to the subject under discussion by the older
>clown's many betters....


Will you just fuck off with your delusional shite and go seek help.
--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
How much more suspenseful can you get?"
- House

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Old 09-24-2008, 01:28 AM
Henry
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Default Re: OT For The helpless sheep

hhc314@yahoo.com wrote:

> Out of curiousity, are you cheating on taking what I assume are your
> prescribed meds?


To the helpless, clueless, gullible sheep that are limited to
hiding behind their killfiles, spewing childish drivel and/or
lies about my Mother, my career, or =simply= spew childish,
grade school "insults" at those of us who display the intelligence
and courage to challenge the lies and crimes of our government -
thanks for helping me prove my points so effectively, convincingly,
and consistently. ;-)

Quite telling, from the mindless bleating observed in
this thread, is that not one of the sheep addressed any
of the claims in the actual NIST report, which was the
topic of the initial post.
One of the sheep (Toy the tool) actually commented, "The
rest of us already have figured this out.....its not like
its news to us."
As a matter of fact, that particular sheep (and many others)
originally tried to blame WTC7's demolition on severe structural
damage (with no evidence) allegedly caused by "debris" impacts,
(although it was on the outer radius of the debris field) and an
invisible raging inferno that was fueled by thousands of gallons
of fuel oil, the source of which was based on pure fantasy and
zero evidence.
If the sheep bothered to read or think, they'd know that the Bush
regime's WTC7 magic fire cartoon conspiracy theory has now been
changed to something new and unprecedented. The structural
damage/fuel oil fire theory has been shit canned in favor of a
new, even more comical fantasy. Ordinary office fires are now
capable of causing an undamaged 47 story hurricane and earth quake
resistant steel framed skyscraper to suddenly disintegrate and
drop to the ground at virtual free fall speed and perfect symmetry.
If Toy and other bearded cave man conspiracy theorists had
bothered to read or think, they'd have seen the poll which shows
that half of the respondents realize that fires could not possibly
have caused WTC7's virtual free fall speed and symmetric "collapse",
and far more than half state that the Bush regime is hiding the
truth about the events of 9-11-01.

http://news.aol.com/article/feds-say...847x1200447479

If there are any followers of the "official" conspiracy theory
reading this thread who have the ability to read, think, and defend
their beliefs with something more intelligent than grade school
drivel, here are a few questions for you. C'mon, try to defend your
conspiracy theory with a trace of logic and reality - it'll be fun. <vbg>

1. How did ordinary office fires cause the severe high temperature
vaporization of steel, as documented in the link below?

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/AppendixC-fema403_apc.pdf

2. NIST's latest conspiracy theory states that an explosion
loud enough to destroy the one column who's failure they imagine
somehow caused the entire steel frame to suddenly disintegrate
and drop at free fall speed would have been louder than any of
the many explosions that were heard. How does this claim rule out
the use of thermite or nano thermite, which cuts steel with far
less noise and would explain the vaporised steel, the extremely
high temperatures, the free fall speed, and the symmetry of the
demolition?

3. How did the BBC "learn" that WTC7 "collapsed" 20 minutes
before the actual "collapsed"? It looks like they were handed
a script and read it too early. If you have another plausible
explanation, please do share it - it'll be fun. <vvbg>

http://www.wtc7.net/bbc.html

4. Since no steel framed building has ever "collapsed"
in a manner that even *remotely* resembles a controlled
demolition, why did the Bush regime refuse to consider the
obvious and test the evidence for demolition? The Bearded Cave
man is a very clever, capable, and formidable foe. Since he can
shut down the entire North Eastern United States air defense
network and leave our Capitol undefended for almost and hour
after the first tower was hit, certainly he can demolish a
skyscraper. So why refuse to test the evidence for demolition,
given that hundreds of experts have suggested that NIST do
so.

4. Hundreds of experts agree that the instant, total, and
symmetric failure of a hurricane and earth quake resistant
steel framed skyscraper can not possibly be caused by the
gradual asymmetric failure of some steel supports due to
gradual heating. Here is a small sampling of these experts
and their research..

http://11syyskuu.blogspot.com/2006/0...-of-wtc-7.html

Where, exactly, do you believe these experts are in error?
Remember, grade school "insults" only weaken your conspiracy
theory and make Bush parrots seem *really* stupid. <g>




--

http://911research.wtc7.net
http://www.911truth.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html



Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

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Old 09-24-2008, 01:37 AM
Henry
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Default Re: OT For the helpless sheep

hhc314@yahoo.com wrote:

> Qute bluntly, I had at the age of 10, I'd seen my mother being hauled
> away several times by the men in the wite coats that came in the
> middle of the night.


Quite telling, from the mindless bleating observed in
this thread, is that not one of the sheep addressed any
of the claims in the actual NIST report, which was the
topic of the initial post. The helpless, gullible sheep
predictably regressed to mindlessly obsessing and lying
about their betters. Facts are very difficult things for
their "minds" to process.
Toy the tool stated, "The rest of us already have figured
this out.....its not like its news to us."
As a matter of fact, Toy and other Bush parroting cartoon
conspiracy sheep originally tried to blame WTC7's demolition
on severe structural damage (with no evidence) allegedly
caused by debris impacts, and an invisible raging inferno
that was fueled by thousands of gallons of fuel oil, the
origin of which was based on pure fantasy and zero evidence.
If the sheep could read or think, they'd know that the Bush
regime's WTC7 magic fire/super Arab/caveman cartoon conspiracy
theory has now been changed to something new and unprecedented.
The structural damage/fuel oil fire theory that the sheep so
mindlessly embraced for years is gone - yet another comical
fairy tale that has been abandoned in favor of a new, equally
absurd lie. Ordinary office fires are now capable of causing
an undamaged 47 story hurricane and earth quake resistant steel
framed skyscraper to suddenly disintegrate and drop to the ground
at virtual free fall speed and perfect symmetry - but only on 9-11-01,
and only in NYC, of course. <chuckle>
If Toy and the other sheep had the ability to read or think,
they'd also have seen the poll which shows that half of the
respondents realize that fires could not possibly have caused
WTC7's virtual free fall speed and symmetric "collapse", and
far more than half state that the Bush regime is hiding the
truth about the events of 9-11-01. But sheep don't read or
think - they quite =simply= bleat, so their comical ignorance
is entirely predicted and expected. <vbg>

http://news.aol.com/article/feds-say...847x1200447479

If there are any followers of the "official" conspiracy theory
reading this thread who have the ability to read, think, and defend
their beliefs with something more intelligent than grade school
drivel, here are a few questions for you. C'mon, try to defend your
conspiracy theory with a trace of logic and reality - it'll be fun. <vbg>

1. How did ordinary office fires cause the severe high temperature
vaporization of steel, as documented in the link below?

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/AppendixC-fema403_apc.pdf

2. NIST's latest conspiracy theory states that an explosion
loud enough to destroy the one column who's failure they imagine
somehow caused the entire steel frame to suddenly disintegrate
and drop at free fall speed would have been louder than any of
the many explosions that were heard. How does this claim rule out
the use of thermite or nano thermite, which cuts steel with far
less noise and would explain the vaporised steel, the extremely
high temperatures, the free fall speed, and the symmetry of the
demolition?

3. How did the BBC "learn" that WTC7 "collapsed" 20 minutes
before the actual "collapsed"? It looks like they were handed
a script and read it too early. If you have another plausible
explanation, please do share it - it'll be fun. <vvbg>

http://www.wtc7.net/bbc.html

4. Since no steel framed building has ever "collapsed"
in a manner that even *remotely* resembles a controlled
demolition, why did the Bush regime refuse to consider the
obvious and test the evidence for demolition? The Bearded Cave
man is a very clever, capable, and formidable foe. Since he can
shut down the entire North Eastern United States air defense
network and leave our Capitol undefended for almost and hour
after the first tower was hit, certainly he can demolish a
skyscraper. So why refuse to test the evidence for demolition,
given that hundreds of experts have suggested that NIST do
so.

4. Hundreds of experts agree that the instant, total, and
symmetric failure of a hurricane and earth quake resistant
steel framed skyscraper can not possibly be caused by the
gradual asymmetric failure of some steel supports due to
gradual heating. Here is a small sampling of these experts
and their research..

http://11syyskuu.blogspot.com/2006/0...-of-wtc-7.html

Where, exactly, do you believe these experts are in error?
Remember, grade school "insults" only weaken your conspiracy
theory and make Bush parrots seem *really* stupid. <g>



--

http://911research.wtc7.net
http://www.911truth.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html


Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/anal...are/fires.html
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm

Ever wonder who benefits from the 700 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

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Old 09-24-2008, 01:39 AM
Henry
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Posts: n/a
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Road Glidin' Don wrote:

> One of the best posts I've seen in a long time. Thanks Harry.


You're quite welcome, but it's "Henry". Certainly worthy of
a repost...

If there are any followers of the "official" conspiracy theory
reading this thread who have the ability to read, think, and defend
their beliefs with something more intelligent than grade school
drivel, here are a few questions for you. C'mon, try to defend your
conspiracy theory with a trace of logic and reality - it'll be fun. <vbg>

1. How did ordinary office fires cause the severe high temperature
vaporization of steel, as documented in the link below?

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/AppendixC-fema403_apc.pdf

2. NIST's latest conspiracy theory states that an explosion
loud enough to destroy the one column who's failure they imagine
somehow caused the entire steel frame to suddenly disintegrate
and drop at free fall speed would have been louder than any of
the many explosions that were heard. How does this claim rule out
the use of thermite or nano thermite, which cuts steel with far
less noise and would explain the vaporised steel, the extremely
high temperatures, the free fall speed, and the symmetry of the
demolition?

3. How did the BBC "learn" that WTC7 "collapsed" 20 minutes
before the actual "collapsed"? It looks like they were handed
a script and read it too early. If you have another plausible
explanation, please do share it - it'll be fun. <vvbg>

http://www.wtc7.net/bbc.html

4. Since no steel framed building has ever "collapsed"
in a manner that even *remotely* resembles a controlled
demolition, why did the Bush regime refuse to consider the
obvious and test the evidence for demolition? The Bearded Cave
man is a very clever, capable, and formidable foe. Since he can
shut down the entire North Eastern United States air defense
network and leave our Capitol undefended for almost and hour
after the first tower was hit, certainly he can demolish a
skyscraper. So why refuse to test the evidence for demolition,
given that hundreds of experts have suggested that NIST do
so.

4. Hundreds of experts agree that the instant, total, and
symmetric failure of a hurricane and earth quake resistant
steel framed skyscraper can not possibly be caused by the
gradual asymmetric failure of some steel supports due to
gradual heating. Here is a small sampling of these experts
and their research..

http://11syyskuu.blogspot.com/2006/0...-of-wtc-7.html

Where, exactly, do you believe these experts are in error?
Remember, grade school "insults" only weaken your conspiracy
theory and make Bush parrots seem *really* stupid. <g>


--

http://911research.wtc7.net


Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...