.... for its 7500 mile service.

Oh, and my race sponsor, Duc Pond Motorsports, will be doing a bit of
old-fashioned "breathing" on the motor while it's in. A bit more
displacement, perhaps, possibly new cams or degreeing the stock cams,
some higher-compression pistons... nothing outrageous. I'd like to
see HP in the 145-150 range, which, in a 410 pound (wet) bike should
keep me interested for another season or two.

It snowed on the way home from dropping the bike off. Perfect timing!

tomorrow@erols.com wrote:
> .... for its 7500 mile service.

wow, three months worth of riding and a service ...


> Oh, and my race sponsor, Duc Pond Motorsports, will be doing a bit of
> old-fashioned "breathing" on the motor while it's in. A bit more
> displacement, perhaps, possibly new cams or degreeing the stock cams,

I was wondering the other day why you need more powerful bike on the
street then the one you have for the track? You mentioned that you do
not find fun riding above 130MPH.

curious Alf

On Dec 6, 8:11*pm, AlFire <spamgrinder.tryla...@ggmail.com> wrote:
> tomor...@erols.com wrote:
> > .... for its 7500 mile service.
>
> wow, three months worth of riding and a service ...

Not when you have multiple bikes to ride. I ride my Harley 10-12,000
miles a year, the Ducati 3,000-3,500 miles a year, and all other bikes
combined 1-3,000 miles per year, depending on what happens to be in my
garage at any given time. The Ducati had its 600 mile service about
30 months ago, has since had one oil and oil filter change, and now is
having its first major service. Not a bike to buy if you can't
afford it, certainly. Not a bike to buy if you can afford it and then
begrudge the cost of maintaining it, imho.

> > Oh, and my race sponsor, Duc Pond Motorsports, will be doing a bit of
> > old-fashioned "breathing" on the motor while it's in. *A bit more
> > displacement, perhaps, possibly new cams or degreeing the stock cams,
>
> I was wondering the other day why you need more powerful bike on the
> street then the one you have for the track? You mentioned that you do
> not find fun riding above 130MPH.

I've explained this before.

It has nothing at all to do with need. It has everything to do with
preference. I like riding air-cooled, 2v, v-twin Ducatis on the
track, whether for racing or trackdays, with 60-80 hp and well under
400 pounds. In fact, my Moto-ST race bike will be about 345 pounds
as a track bike next year, with right around 75 hp. That's perfect
for me to go out and have fun at the track. I am not fond of braking
from speeds in excess of 150mph; a bike that tops out between 125-135
is right where my comfort level is. Normally, that is enough for me
to lap faster than all but expert club racers on Japanese 600cc and
literbikes in the 'expert' or 'racers' group at a track day. And
those that can go faster than me do, and they appear to be having a
lot of fun, too.

On the street for sport (and occasionally commuting or an under 600
mile weekend), I like a light, ridiculously overpowered bike on which
I can sit up on and see the traffic around me. Particularly LEO's. I
like to accelerate through first and second gears, working like hell
to keep the front wheel on or near the ground, and then short shift on
up from third. If I am far enough out in the boonies, I will do the
same thing all the way through third gear, and short shift up from
fourth. However, in the close environs of Fairfax County, Virginia,
redline in third is inviting a jail stay, so it's extremely rare. I
never go fast enough to worry about my braking, although I'll admit to
an occasional BRIEF foray above the ton. Last summer I thought that I
might be interested in a lighter bike than my S4Rs and rode an SXV(?)
550 Aprilia around one evening, but truly missed the sheer brutal
acceleration of the Ducati.

My recent sporting streetbike progression was stock '92 Ducati 750SS
57hp, 412 pounds-> highly modifed 750SS 74hp, 357 pounds --> stock
'97 Triumph T509 Speed Triple 80hp, 460 pounds -> stock '99 Triumph
T595 Speed Triple 100hp, 460 pounds -> stock '07 Ducati S4Rs ~115hp,
430 pounds -> lightened, tuned, full Termi S4Rs ~130hp, 410 pounds.
If I can get the Ducati up to 145-150hp and just under 400 pounds, I
think it will be even more fun than it is now.

Each one has made me smile a little bit more than the last, and since
the '97 Speed Triple caused me to abandon my then "who needs more than
60hp anyway," attitude, I haven't found a bike with "too much"
horsepower that made me think it would be more fun if only it were
toned down some. The work that Duc Pond will be doing to my bike is
under the agreement that it will have no deleterious affect on
rideability or streetability of the bike. Frankly, I can't wait!

> Not a bike to buy if you can't afford it, certainly.

that sounds like a refrain in your posts ;-).

> Not a bike to buy if you can afford it and then
> begrudge the cost of maintaining it, imho.

agreed, buying stuff and then regretting that is kinda stupid.


> I've explained this before.

I guess I missed that post.


> It has nothing at all to do with need. It has everything to do with
> preference.

I would say with very _refined_ preference. In fact the way I see the
explanation is not that you prefer to have more HP on the street as a
measure of a convenience as much as you like to have less HP on the
track for the simple reason to not to be forced to break from the speed
in the excess of 130MPH.

> On the street for sport (and occasionally commuting or an under 600
> mile weekend), I like a light, ridiculously overpowered bike on which
> I can sit up on and see the traffic around me.

This is a very pleasant feeling, indeed.

> Particularly LEO's.

You mean being pulled over and surrounded by LEOs :-).

> 550 Aprilia around one evening, but truly missed the sheer brutal
> acceleration of the Ducati.

do not pretty much all 100HP+ bikes accelerate quite equal up to let's
say 90MPH?


> Each one has made me smile a little bit more than the last, and since
> the '97 Speed Triple caused me to abandon my then "who needs more than
> 60hp anyway," attitude,
I started riding on 125HP bike so I am not sure what you are taking
about :-). But seriously with the current knowledge I would probably
start with SV-650 as a first bike. Or some kind of SM. Not big deal, but
nevertheless I have not found a perfect bike for me yet.

> The work that Duc Pond will be doing to my bike is
> under the agreement that it will have no deleterious affect on
> rideability or streetability of the bike. Frankly, I can't wait!

Spending $$$$ to jeopardize above would not be to wise. I wonder about
reliability and longevity. Yeah, so far you spend like $4/riding minute
on S4R - I guess it must be worth for you.


Alf

On Dec 6, 9:29*pm, "tomor...@erols.com"
<tomorrowerolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 6, 8:11*pm, AlFire <spamgrinder.tryla...@ggmail.com> wrote:
>
> > tomor...@erols.com wrote:
> > > .... for its 7500 mile service.
>
> > wow, three months worth of riding and a service ...
>
> Not when you have multiple bikes to ride. *I ride my Harley 10-12,000
> miles a year, the Ducati 3,000-3,500 miles a year, and all other bikes
> combined 1-3,000 miles per year, depending on what happens to be in my
> garage at any given time. *The Ducati had its 600 mile service about
> 30 months ago, has since had one oil and oil filter change, and now is
> having its first major service. * Not a bike to buy if you can't
> afford it, certainly. *Not a bike to buy if you can afford it and then
> begrudge the cost of maintaining it, imho.
>
> > > Oh, and my race sponsor, Duc Pond Motorsports, will be doing a bit of
> > > old-fashioned "breathing" on the motor while it's in. *A bit more
> > > displacement, perhaps, possibly new cams or degreeing the stock cams,
>
> > I was wondering the other day why you need more powerful bike on the
> > street then the one you have for the track? You mentioned that you do
> > not find fun riding above 130MPH.
>
> I've explained this before.
>
> It has nothing at all to do with need. * It has everything to do with
> preference. * I like riding air-cooled, 2v, v-twin Ducatis on the
> track, whether for racing or trackdays, with 60-80 hp and well under
> 400 pounds. * In fact, my Moto-ST race bike will be about 345 pounds
> as a track bike next year, with right around 75 hp. * That's perfect
> for me to go out and have fun at the track. * I am not fond of braking
> from speeds in excess of 150mph; a bike that tops out between 125-135
> is right where my comfort level is. *Normally, that is enough for me
> to lap faster than all but expert club racers on Japanese 600cc and
> literbikes in the 'expert' or 'racers' group at a track day. *And
> those that can go faster than me do, and they appear to be having a
> lot of fun, too.
>
> On the street for sport (and occasionally commuting or an under 600
> mile weekend), I like a light, ridiculously overpowered bike on which
> I can sit up on and see the traffic around me. *Particularly LEO's. *I
> like to accelerate through first and second gears, working like hell
> to keep the front wheel on or near the ground, and then short shift on
> up from third. *If I am far enough out in the boonies, I will do the
> same thing all the way through third gear, and short shift up from
> fourth. *However, in the close environs of Fairfax County, Virginia,
> redline in third is inviting a jail stay, so it's extremely rare. * I
> never go fast enough to worry about my braking, although I'll admit to
> an occasional BRIEF foray above the ton. *Last summer I thought that I
> might be interested in a lighter bike than my S4Rs and rode an SXV(?)
> 550 Aprilia around one evening, but truly missed the sheer brutal
> acceleration of the Ducati.
>
> My recent sporting streetbike progression was stock '92 Ducati 750SS
> 57hp, 412 pounds-> highly modifed 750SS 74hp, 357 pounds *--> stock
> '97 Triumph T509 Speed Triple 80hp, 460 pounds -> stock '99 Triumph
> T595 Speed Triple 100hp, 460 pounds -> stock '07 Ducati S4Rs ~115hp,
> 430 pounds -> lightened, tuned, full Termi S4Rs ~130hp, 410 pounds.
> If I can get the Ducati up to 145-150hp and just under 400 pounds, I
> think it will be even more fun than it is now.
>
> Each one has made me smile a little bit more than the last, and since
> the '97 Speed Triple caused me to abandon my then "who needs more than
> 60hp anyway," attitude, I haven't found a bike with "too much"
> horsepower that made me think it would be more fun if only it were
> toned down some. * The work that Duc Pond will be doing to my bike is
> under the agreement that it will have no deleterious affect on
> rideability or streetability of the bike. *Frankly, I can't wait!

And if it lurches and sputters afterward you get your money back?
Kewl.

On Dec 6, 11:14*pm, AlFire <spamgrinder.tryla...@ggmail.com> wrote:
> > Not a bike to buy if you can't afford it, certainly.
>
> that sounds like a refrain in your posts ;-).

Yeah, I;ve never owned bikes that I couldn't afford. As my income
and means have risen, so have the price of my motorcycles. It seems
like a fairly normal and natural progression. I notice that other
people often buy more expensive and luxurious cars around as they get
older and make more money, or when their children move out and they
suddenly aren't paying college tuition for three kids.

Still, it doesn't seem to keep other motorcyclists from routinely
carping on the fact that some folks happen to have more expensive
bikes than others do. If it helps you, all of my bikes are paid for
and I have the titles right here in my filing cabinet.

Besides, can you ever recall a time when I've *ever* suggested that an
expensive motorcycle is NECESSARY for anyone else? To each their
own. I could afford an expensive car, have owned an expensive car in
the past, have determined that I don't need an expensive car. But if
other people have expensive cars, that's fine with me.
>
> > Not a bike to buy if you can afford it and then
> > begrudge the cost of maintaining it, imho.
>
> agreed, buying stuff and then regretting that is kinda stupid.
>
> > I've explained this before.
>
> I guess I missed that post.
>
> > It has nothing at all to do with need. * It has everything to do with
> > preference.
>
> I would say with very _refined_ preference.

I have had thirty plus years to refine my motorcycling preferences.

> In fact the way I see the
> explanation is not that you prefer to have more HP on the street as a
> measure of a convenience as much as you like to have less HP on the
> track for the simple reason to not to be forced to break from the speed
> in the excess of 130MPH.

See it any way you want. I prefer to have bikes with lots of
horsepower on the street and bikes with little horsepower and very
little weight on the track. Those are my preferences. Parse it any
way you like, if you have difficulty understanding what I'm saying.
>
> > On the street for sport (and occasionally commuting or an under 600
> > mile weekend), I like a light, ridiculously overpowered bike on which
> > I can sit up on and see the traffic around me.
>
> This is a very pleasant feeling, indeed.
>
> *> Particularly LEO's.
>
> You mean being pulled over and surrounded by LEOs :-).
>
> > 550 Aprilia around one evening, but truly missed the sheer brutal
> > acceleration of the Ducati.
>
> do not pretty much all 100HP+ bikes accelerate quite equal up to let's
> say 90MPH?

Not really.

> > Each one has made me smile a little bit more than the last, and since
> > the '97 Speed Triple caused me to abandon my then "who needs more than
> > 60hp anyway," attitude,
>
> I started riding on 125HP bike so I am not sure what you are taking
> about :-). But seriously with the current knowledge I would probably
> start with SV-650 as a first bike. Or some kind of SM. Not big deal, but
> nevertheless I have not found a perfect bike for me yet.
>
> > The work that Duc Pond will be doing to my bike is
> > under the agreement that it will have no deleterious affect on
> > rideability or streetability of the bike. *Frankly, I can't wait!
>
> Spending $$$$ to jeopardize above would not be to wise. I wonder about
> reliability and longevity. Yeah, so far you spend like $4/riding minute
> on S4R - I guess it must be worth for you.

Huh. You say that you have not yet found the perfect bike for you.
I've been riding for almost 31 years, and the bikes I have now are by
far the best pair of street motorcycles FOR ME that I've ever had. I
find myself riding with the same smile that I did over 30 years ago on
my first motorcycle ride - a smile that sometimes leaves my face
aching because I'm having so much fun.

So your final shot seems out of place, churlish, and unnecessary.
Besides, riding the the S4Rs costs *me* almost nothing. The bike was
a GIFT from my wife.

Good luck in finding the perfect bike for you without spending any
significant amounts of money.

Seems like conflicting goals, to me.

On Dec 7, 6:41*am, saddlebag <saddle...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Dec 6, 9:29*pm, "tomor...@erols.com"
>
>
>
>
>
> <tomorrowerolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 6, 8:11*pm, AlFire <spamgrinder.tryla...@ggmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > tomor...@erols.com wrote:
> > > > .... for its 7500 mile service.
>
> > > wow, three months worth of riding and a service ...
>
> > Not when you have multiple bikes to ride. *I ride my Harley 10-12,000
> > miles a year, the Ducati 3,000-3,500 miles a year, and all other bikes
> > combined 1-3,000 miles per year, depending on what happens to be in my
> > garage at any given time. *The Ducati had its 600 mile service about
> > 30 months ago, has since had one oil and oil filter change, and now is
> > having its first major service. * Not a bike to buy if you can't
> > afford it, certainly. *Not a bike to buy if you can afford it and then
> > begrudge the cost of maintaining it, imho.
>
> > > > Oh, and my race sponsor, Duc Pond Motorsports, will be doing a bit of
> > > > old-fashioned "breathing" on the motor while it's in. *A bit more
> > > > displacement, perhaps, possibly new cams or degreeing the stock cams,
>
> > > I was wondering the other day why you need more powerful bike on the
> > > street then the one you have for the track? You mentioned that you do
> > > not find fun riding above 130MPH.
>
> > I've explained this before.
>
> > It has nothing at all to do with need. * It has everything to do with
> > preference. * I like riding air-cooled, 2v, v-twin Ducatis on the
> > track, whether for racing or trackdays, with 60-80 hp and well under
> > 400 pounds. * In fact, my Moto-ST race bike will be about 345 pounds
> > as a track bike next year, with right around 75 hp. * That's perfect
> > for me to go out and have fun at the track. * I am not fond of braking
> > from speeds in excess of 150mph; a bike that tops out between 125-135
> > is right where my comfort level is. *Normally, that is enough for me
> > to lap faster than all but expert club racers on Japanese 600cc and
> > literbikes in the 'expert' or 'racers' group at a track day. *And
> > those that can go faster than me do, and they appear to be having a
> > lot of fun, too.
>
> > On the street for sport (and occasionally commuting or an under 600
> > mile weekend), I like a light, ridiculously overpowered bike on which
> > I can sit up on and see the traffic around me. *Particularly LEO's. *I
> > like to accelerate through first and second gears, working like hell
> > to keep the front wheel on or near the ground, and then short shift on
> > up from third. *If I am far enough out in the boonies, I will do the
> > same thing all the way through third gear, and short shift up from
> > fourth. *However, in the close environs of Fairfax County, Virginia,
> > redline in third is inviting a jail stay, so it's extremely rare. * I
> > never go fast enough to worry about my braking, although I'll admit to
> > an occasional BRIEF foray above the ton. *Last summer I thought that I
> > might be interested in a lighter bike than my S4Rs and rode an SXV(?)
> > 550 Aprilia around one evening, but truly missed the sheer brutal
> > acceleration of the Ducati.
>
> > My recent sporting streetbike progression was stock '92 Ducati 750SS
> > 57hp, 412 pounds-> highly modifed 750SS 74hp, 357 pounds *--> stock
> > '97 Triumph T509 Speed Triple 80hp, 460 pounds -> stock '99 Triumph
> > T595 Speed Triple 100hp, 460 pounds -> stock '07 Ducati S4Rs ~115hp,
> > 430 pounds -> lightened, tuned, full Termi S4Rs ~130hp, 410 pounds.
> > If I can get the Ducati up to 145-150hp and just under 400 pounds, I
> > think it will be even more fun than it is now.
>
> > Each one has made me smile a little bit more than the last, and since
> > the '97 Speed Triple caused me to abandon my then "who needs more than
> > 60hp anyway," attitude, I haven't found a bike with "too much"
> > horsepower that made me think it would be more fun if only it were
> > toned down some. * The work that Duc Pond will be doing to my bike is
> > under the agreement that it will have no deleterious affect on
> > rideability or streetability of the bike. *Frankly, I can't wait!
>
> And if it lurches and sputters afterward you get your money back?
> Kewl.

Donnie has been building Ducati motors for over 25 years. He built
both of Screamin' Duc Racing's Moto-ST racebikes. He has built
numerous other streetbikes and racebikes for friends and acquaintances
over many years. He is a franchised dealer with factory training from
Italy, including being one of the few authorized desmosedici
technicians in the country. He won 13 regional championships himself
on Ducatis with engines he built himself.

I'm not the least bit worried about the bike "lurching and sputtering"
when I get it back from him. I don't have to worry about that, or
about getting my money back, because Donnie would never deliver a bike
that did that.

You, on the other hand, will likely continue lurching and sputtering,
since you are capable of little else.

tomorrow@erols.com wrote:
> ... for its 7500 mile service.
>
> Oh, and my race sponsor, Duc Pond Motorsports, will be doing a bit of
> old-fashioned "breathing" on the motor while it's in. A bit more
> displacement, perhaps, possibly new cams or degreeing the stock cams,
> some higher-compression pistons... nothing outrageous. I'd like to
> see HP in the 145-150 range, which, in a 410 pound (wet) bike should
> keep me interested for another season or two.

Is that rwhp, or engine hp?

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On Dec 7, 8:53*am, "tomor...@erols.com"
<tomorrowerolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 7, 6:41*am, saddlebag <saddle...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 6, 9:29*pm, "tomor...@erols.com"
>
> > <tomorrowerolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Dec 6, 8:11*pm, AlFire <spamgrinder.tryla...@ggmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > tomor...@erols.com wrote:
> > > > > .... for its 7500 mile service.
>
> > > > wow, three months worth of riding and a service ...
>
> > > Not when you have multiple bikes to ride. *I ride my Harley 10-12,000
> > > miles a year, the Ducati 3,000-3,500 miles a year, and all other bikes
> > > combined 1-3,000 miles per year, depending on what happens to be in my
> > > garage at any given time. *The Ducati had its 600 mile service about
> > > 30 months ago, has since had one oil and oil filter change, and now is
> > > having its first major service. * Not a bike to buy if you can't
> > > afford it, certainly. *Not a bike to buy if you can afford it and then
> > > begrudge the cost of maintaining it, imho.
>
> > > > > Oh, and my race sponsor, Duc Pond Motorsports, will be doing a bit of
> > > > > old-fashioned "breathing" on the motor while it's in. *A bit more
> > > > > displacement, perhaps, possibly new cams or degreeing the stock cams,
>
> > > > I was wondering the other day why you need more powerful bike on the
> > > > street then the one you have for the track? You mentioned that you do
> > > > not find fun riding above 130MPH.
>
> > > I've explained this before.
>
> > > It has nothing at all to do with need. * It has everything to do with
> > > preference. * I like riding air-cooled, 2v, v-twin Ducatis on the
> > > track, whether for racing or trackdays, with 60-80 hp and well under
> > > 400 pounds. * In fact, my Moto-ST race bike will be about 345 pounds
> > > as a track bike next year, with right around 75 hp. * That's perfect
> > > for me to go out and have fun at the track. * I am not fond of braking
> > > from speeds in excess of 150mph; a bike that tops out between 125-135
> > > is right where my comfort level is. *Normally, that is enough for me
> > > to lap faster than all but expert club racers on Japanese 600cc and
> > > literbikes in the 'expert' or 'racers' group at a track day. *And
> > > those that can go faster than me do, and they appear to be having a
> > > lot of fun, too.
>
> > > On the street for sport (and occasionally commuting or an under 600
> > > mile weekend), I like a light, ridiculously overpowered bike on which
> > > I can sit up on and see the traffic around me. *Particularly LEO's.*I
> > > like to accelerate through first and second gears, working like hell
> > > to keep the front wheel on or near the ground, and then short shift on
> > > up from third. *If I am far enough out in the boonies, I will do the
> > > same thing all the way through third gear, and short shift up from
> > > fourth. *However, in the close environs of Fairfax County, Virginia,
> > > redline in third is inviting a jail stay, so it's extremely rare. *I
> > > never go fast enough to worry about my braking, although I'll admit to
> > > an occasional BRIEF foray above the ton. *Last summer I thought that I
> > > might be interested in a lighter bike than my S4Rs and rode an SXV(?)
> > > 550 Aprilia around one evening, but truly missed the sheer brutal
> > > acceleration of the Ducati.
>
> > > My recent sporting streetbike progression was stock '92 Ducati 750SS
> > > 57hp, 412 pounds-> highly modifed 750SS 74hp, 357 pounds *--> stock
> > > '97 Triumph T509 Speed Triple 80hp, 460 pounds -> stock '99 Triumph
> > > T595 Speed Triple 100hp, 460 pounds -> stock '07 Ducati S4Rs ~115hp,
> > > 430 pounds -> lightened, tuned, full Termi S4Rs ~130hp, 410 pounds.
> > > If I can get the Ducati up to 145-150hp and just under 400 pounds, I
> > > think it will be even more fun than it is now.
>
> > > Each one has made me smile a little bit more than the last, and since
> > > the '97 Speed Triple caused me to abandon my then "who needs more than
> > > 60hp anyway," attitude, I haven't found a bike with "too much"
> > > horsepower that made me think it would be more fun if only it were
> > > toned down some. * The work that Duc Pond will be doing to my bike is
> > > under the agreement that it will have no deleterious affect on
> > > rideability or streetability of the bike. *Frankly, I can't wait!
>
> > And if it lurches and sputters afterward you get your money back?
> > Kewl.
>
> Donnie has been building Ducati motors for over 25 years. *He built
> both of Screamin' Duc Racing's Moto-ST racebikes. * He has built
> numerous other streetbikes and racebikes for friends and acquaintances
> over many years. *He is a franchised dealer with factory training from
> Italy, including being one of the few authorized desmosedici
> technicians in the country. *

Pssst Timsey, your bike has TWO cylinders. Maybe you should find a
guy who is trained on the those.

> I'm not the least bit worried about the bike "lurching and sputtering"
> when I get it back from him. * I don't have to worry about that, or
> about getting my money back, because Donnie would never deliver a bike
> that did that.

Does he own a museum?

> You, on the other hand, will likely continue lurching and sputtering,
> since you are capable of little else.

Now see, you can be a little creative when you dial back the potty
mouth and engage your brain cell.

On Dec 7, 3:50*pm, saddlebag <saddle...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Dec 7, 8:53*am, "tomor...@erols.com"
>
>
>
>
>
> <tomorrowerolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 7, 6:41*am, saddlebag <saddle...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 6, 9:29*pm, "tomor...@erols.com"
>
> > > <tomorrowerolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Dec 6, 8:11*pm, AlFire <spamgrinder.tryla...@ggmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > tomor...@erols.com wrote:
> > > > > > .... for its 7500 mile service.
>
> > > > > wow, three months worth of riding and a service ...
>
> > > > Not when you have multiple bikes to ride. *I ride my Harley 10-12,000
> > > > miles a year, the Ducati 3,000-3,500 miles a year, and all other bikes
> > > > combined 1-3,000 miles per year, depending on what happens to be inmy
> > > > garage at any given time. *The Ducati had its 600 mile service about
> > > > 30 months ago, has since had one oil and oil filter change, and nowis
> > > > having its first major service. * Not a bike to buy if you can't
> > > > afford it, certainly. *Not a bike to buy if you can afford it andthen
> > > > begrudge the cost of maintaining it, imho.
>
> > > > > > Oh, and my race sponsor, Duc Pond Motorsports, will be doing a bit of
> > > > > > old-fashioned "breathing" on the motor while it's in. *A bit more
> > > > > > displacement, perhaps, possibly new cams or degreeing the stockcams,
>
> > > > > I was wondering the other day why you need more powerful bike on the
> > > > > street then the one you have for the track? You mentioned that you do
> > > > > not find fun riding above 130MPH.
>
> > > > I've explained this before.
>
> > > > It has nothing at all to do with need. * It has everything to do with
> > > > preference. * I like riding air-cooled, 2v, v-twin Ducatis on the
> > > > track, whether for racing or trackdays, with 60-80 hp and well under
> > > > 400 pounds. * In fact, my Moto-ST race bike will be about 345 pounds
> > > > as a track bike next year, with right around 75 hp. * That's perfect
> > > > for me to go out and have fun at the track. * I am not fond of braking
> > > > from speeds in excess of 150mph; a bike that tops out between 125-135
> > > > is right where my comfort level is. *Normally, that is enough forme
> > > > to lap faster than all but expert club racers on Japanese 600cc and
> > > > literbikes in the 'expert' or 'racers' group at a track day. *And
> > > > those that can go faster than me do, and they appear to be having a
> > > > lot of fun, too.
>
> > > > On the street for sport (and occasionally commuting or an under 600
> > > > mile weekend), I like a light, ridiculously overpowered bike on which
> > > > I can sit up on and see the traffic around me. *Particularly LEO's. *I
> > > > like to accelerate through first and second gears, working like hell
> > > > to keep the front wheel on or near the ground, and then short shifton
> > > > up from third. *If I am far enough out in the boonies, I will do the
> > > > same thing all the way through third gear, and short shift up from
> > > > fourth. *However, in the close environs of Fairfax County, Virginia,
> > > > redline in third is inviting a jail stay, so it's extremely rare. * I
> > > > never go fast enough to worry about my braking, although I'll admitto
> > > > an occasional BRIEF foray above the ton. *Last summer I thought that I
> > > > might be interested in a lighter bike than my S4Rs and rode an SXV(?)
> > > > 550 Aprilia around one evening, but truly missed the sheer brutal
> > > > acceleration of the Ducati.
>
> > > > My recent sporting streetbike progression was stock '92 Ducati 750SS
> > > > 57hp, 412 pounds-> highly modifed 750SS 74hp, 357 pounds *--> stock
> > > > '97 Triumph T509 Speed Triple 80hp, 460 pounds -> stock '99 Triumph
> > > > T595 Speed Triple 100hp, 460 pounds -> stock '07 Ducati S4Rs ~115hp,
> > > > 430 pounds -> lightened, tuned, full Termi S4Rs ~130hp, 410 pounds.
> > > > If I can get the Ducati up to 145-150hp and just under 400 pounds, I
> > > > think it will be even more fun than it is now.
>
> > > > Each one has made me smile a little bit more than the last, and since
> > > > the '97 Speed Triple caused me to abandon my then "who needs more than
> > > > 60hp anyway," attitude, I haven't found a bike with "too much"
> > > > horsepower that made me think it would be more fun if only it were
> > > > toned down some. * The work that Duc Pond will be doing to my bike is
> > > > under the agreement that it will have no deleterious affect on
> > > > rideability or streetability of the bike. *Frankly, I can't wait!
>
> > > And if it lurches and sputters afterward you get your money back?
> > > Kewl.
>
> > Donnie has been building Ducati motors for over 25 years. *He built
> > both of Screamin' Duc Racing's Moto-ST racebikes. * He has built
> > numerous other streetbikes and racebikes for friends and acquaintances
> > over many years. *He is a franchised dealer with factory training from
> > Italy, including being one of the few authorized desmosedici
> > technicians in the country. *
>
> Pssst Timsey, your bike has TWO cylinders. *Maybe you should find a
> guy who is trained on the those.

See, this rampant stupidity is what makes you a liberal. You can't
figure out that being trained to work on ONE very special V4 doesn't
cancel out 25 years of working on and training for V-twins.

You libs. So vocal, yet so excruciatingly stupid. No wonder you
drink to excess.

>> Pssst Timsey, your bike has TWO cylinders. Maybe you should find a
>> guy who is trained on the those.

>See, this rampant stupidity is what makes you a liberal. You can't
>figure out that being trained to work on ONE very special V4 doesn't
>cancel out 25 years of working on and training for V-twins.

You know Saddle, I think I knew Tims bike was a 4 cylinder ( which is
a surprise considering I'm hardly a Ducati-phile )....how did YOU
manage to mess that one up?

On Dec 7, 6:35*pm, "TroytheTroll" <f4_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Pssst Timsey, your bike has TWO cylinders. Maybe you should find a
> >> guy who is trained on the those.
> >See, this rampant stupidity is what makes you a liberal. * You can't
> >figure out that being trained to work on ONE very special V4 doesn't
> >cancel out 25 years of working on and training for V-twins.
>
> You know Saddle, I think I knew Tims bike was a 4 cylinder ( which is
> a surprise considering I'm hardly a Ducati-phile )....how did YOU
> manage to mess that one up?

Sigh. My bike is *not* a 4 cylinder. It is a v-twin. Donnie was
factory trained to work on ALL Ducatis, which - since stopping
production of the bevel-driven ohc singles in the early 1970's, have
ALL been v-twins with the exception of the 170 Supermonos made in
1992-1993, and the current Desmosedici (which is the bike I mentioned
that Donnie was ALSO trained on, the street going V4 replica of the
first generation 990cc Ducati MotoGP racebike) so I was pointing out
that just because Donnie has ALSO been factory trained to work on the
only 4-cylinder production Ducati ever built, doesn't mean that he is
automatically disqualified from working on the V-twin engine Ducatis
(like mine) that he has been working on for over 25 years.

>> You know Saddle, I think I knew Tims bike was a 4 cylinder ( which
>> is
>> a surprise considering I'm hardly a Ducati-phile )....how did YOU
>> manage to mess that one up?

>Sigh. My bike is *not* a 4 cylinder. It is a v-twin.

Really? I thought the new Monsters carried the super duper Duck
engine, and that was a 4 cylinder?

Does Ducati make ANY modern V4 type of bikes, assuming of course they
aren't and never will be in the I4 business...but again....I haven't
been watching near enough racing shows and such to know what exactly
is going on with the newest hardware except most of it looks
uncomfortable, and expensive compared to what's been making me happy
lately.

tomorrow@erols.com wrote:

> Still, it doesn't seem to keep other motorcyclists from routinely
> carping on the fact that some folks happen to have more expensive
> bikes than others do. If it helps you, all of my bikes are paid for
> and I have the titles right here in my filing cabinet.

I prefer to pay cash for all my vehicles or pay them off in very short
time too.

> Besides, can you ever recall a time when I've *ever* suggested that an
> expensive motorcycle is NECESSARY for anyone else?

no, I can not. Only thing I want to understand is what makes those more
expensive two wheelers worth they price. After investing $2K without any
regrets into my $3K bike I have something which will suffice to elevate
my skills for next few years until I guess it is beaten up. But is not
perfect.

> See it any way you want. I prefer to have bikes with lots of
> horsepower on the street and bikes with little horsepower and very
> little weight on the track. Those are my preferences. Parse it any
> way you like, if you have difficulty understanding what I'm saying.

I understand what you say but have not discovered what desires are
behind it and what kind of riding 'lust' that refined piece of hardware
is about to fulfill. I guess there is a lot ahead of me.


>>> 550 Aprilia around one evening, but truly missed the sheer brutal
>>> acceleration of the Ducati.
>> do not pretty much all 100HP+ bikes accelerate quite equal up to let's
>> say 90MPH?
>
> Not really.

But the practical differences are negligible. Perhaps you mean how the
engine develops and delivers the power. This is probably a different story.

> Huh. You say that you have not yet found the perfect bike for you.
> I've been riding for almost 31 years, and the bikes I have now are by
> far the best pair of street motorcycles FOR ME that I've ever had.

I am 27 years behind you :-).

> So your final shot seems out of place, churlish, and unnecessary.
> Besides, riding the the S4Rs costs *me* almost nothing. The bike was
> a GIFT from my wife.

Nice!. I wonder if she had any hint it was suppose to be S4R.

> Good luck in finding the perfect bike for you without spending any
> significant amounts of money.
> Seems like conflicting goals, to me.

I guess you can still have 95% of the objective for the half of the
price. Even though I could afford that 5% I guess it is still not a
thing I could appreciate.


Best, Andy

On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:35:18 -0500, Henry <9-11@insidejob.gov> wrote:

>tomorrow@erols.com wrote:
>> ... for its 7500 mile service.
>>
>> Oh, and my race sponsor, Duc Pond Motorsports, will be doing a bit of
>> old-fashioned "breathing" on the motor while it's in. A bit more
>> displacement, perhaps, possibly new cams or degreeing the stock cams,
>> some higher-compression pistons... nothing outrageous. I'd like to
>> see HP in the 145-150 range, which, in a 410 pound (wet) bike should
>> keep me interested for another season or two.
>
> Is that rwhp, or engine hp?


At the wrist pin.

Bill Smith

On Dec 7, 9:25*pm, AlFire <spamgrinder.tryla...@ggmail.com> wrote:
> tomor...@erols.com wrote:
> > Still, it doesn't seem to keep other motorcyclists from routinely
> > carping on the fact that some folks happen to have more expensive
> > bikes than others do. * If it helps you, all of my bikes are paid for
> > and I have the titles right here in my filing cabinet.
>
> I prefer to pay cash for all my vehicles or pay them off in very short
> time too.
>
> > Besides, can you ever recall a time when I've *ever* suggested that an
> > expensive motorcycle is NECESSARY for anyone else?
>
> no, I can not. Only thing I want to understand is what makes those more
> expensive two wheelers worth they price. After investing $2K without any
> regrets into my $3K bike I have something which will suffice to elevate
> my skills for next few years until I guess it is beaten up. But is not
> perfect.
>
> > See it any way you want. *I prefer to have bikes with lots of
> > horsepower on the street and bikes with little horsepower and very
> > little weight on the track. *Those are my preferences. * Parse it any
> > way you like, if you have difficulty understanding what I'm saying.
>
> I understand what you say but have not discovered what desires are
> behind it and what kind of riding 'lust' that refined piece of hardware
> is about to fulfill. I guess there is a lot ahead of me.

Hopefully!

> >>> 550 Aprilia around one evening, but truly missed the sheer brutal
> >>> acceleration of the Ducati.
> >> do not pretty much all 100HP+ bikes accelerate quite equal up to let's
> >> say 90MPH?
>
> > Not really.
>
> But the practical differences are negligible. Perhaps you mean how the
> engine develops and delivers the power. This is probably a different story.

Not to mention the weight of the bikes, the presence or absence of
wind protection, the seating position, the sound of the engine, the
location and circumstances where the 100HP+ are put to use. Way too
many variables for me to say any bike over 100HP will fit all my
acceleration needs.

> > Huh. *You say that you have not yet found the perfect bike for you.
> > I've been riding for almost 31 years, and the bikes I have now are by
> > far the best pair of street motorcycles FOR ME that I've ever had.
>
> I am 27 years behind you :-).

I envy you. I *may* have 27 additional years of motorcycling ahead of
me, if I am very lucky. I hope I am!

> > So your final shot seems out of place, churlish, and unnecessary.
> > Besides, riding the the S4Rs costs *me* almost nothing. *The bike was
> > a GIFT from my wife.
>
> Nice!. I wonder if she had any hint it was suppose to be S4R.

I told my longtime Ducati dealer and close friend that it Ducati ever
built a bike that had up to date Superbike engine, brakes, and
suspension in a roadster chassis, I would buy it. So when he found
out about the S4Rs in the fall of 2005, he called me to tell me about
it. He got my wife on the phone. He chatted with her a while, and
then asked to speak to me, but I wasn't home. So whe asked why he was
calling and he explained, and told her he was only getting two of the
bikes in 2006. She said "We'll take one." He asked her if she didn't
think he should talk to me first, and she said "No, you said he said
he would buy one, that's good enough for me, I'm buying this one for
him." So Christmas of 2005 I got a picture of an S4Rs in an envelope
under the Xmas tree; it was my Christmas and birthday and anniversary
present all rolled up in one.

> > Good luck in finding the perfect bike for you without spending any
> > significant amounts of money.
> > Seems like conflicting goals, to me.
>
> I guess you can still have 95% of the objective for the half of the
> price.

I agree, in fact, probably for LESS than half the price.

> Even though I could afford that 5% I guess it is still not a
> thing I could appreciate.

When I had been riding for four years, I could neither have afforded
it nor would I have appreciated the difference the way I do not. When
I had been riding for 14 years and when I had been riding for 24
years, I could not have afforded to do it, although I could have
appreciated it. Now, finally, I am in a position to do both. And
happy to be here!

On Dec 7, 8:01*pm, "TroytheTroll" <f4_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> You know Saddle, I think I knew Tims bike was a 4 cylinder ( which
> >> is
> >> a surprise considering I'm hardly a Ducati-phile )....how did YOU
> >> manage to mess that one up?
> >Sigh. *My bike is *not* a 4 cylinder. * It is a v-twin.
>
> Really? I thought the new Monsters carried the super duper Duck
> engine, and that was a 4 cylinder?
>
> Does Ducati make ANY modern V4 type of bikes, assuming of course they
> aren't and never will be in the I4 business...but again....I haven't
> been watching near enough racing shows and such to know what exactly
> is going on with the newest hardware except most of it looks
> uncomfortable, and expensive compared to what's been making me happy
> lately.

All Monsters are and were v-twins, the S4 was the first non-aircooled,
non-2v model in 2000 with a 4v liquid cooled engine based on the 916
Superbike-engine, followed by the S4R with the 996-based engine, with
the final variant being the S4Rs with the 998 testastretta engine, and
the only Monster with Ohlins suspension both front and rear (some s-
model 2v Monsters had Ohlins shocks). There is no superbike-engined
Monster for 2009, the new Street Fighter 1098 ($16k for regular, $19k
for the S model with Ohlins front and rear) is the only naked bike in
the 2009 Ducati line-up to have a 4v liquid cooled engine.

As far as 4-cylinder engines are concerned, the only Ducati production
4 is the current Desmosedici, a $70,000 replica of the MotoGP bike
with $24,000 Ohlins GP-spec racing forks, sand-cast magnesium
crankcases, etc. It's rated at 200+ hp, while the top of the line
Vtwin (the 1198R) is rated at 180hp and is lighter and a lot easier to
work on, and costs about $42k.

As far as affordability is concerned, there is a gorgeous blue and
white 2005 S4R with under 1,000 miles on it being auctioned on eBay
right now. I've seen bikes like this go for as low as $6,200 in some
recent sales, which to me is a stone cold bargain.

On Dec 7, 9:48*pm, Bill Smith <squand...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:35:18 -0500, Henry <9...@insidejob.gov> wrote:
> >tomor...@erols.com wrote:
> >> ... for its 7500 mile service.
>
> >> Oh, and my race sponsor, Duc Pond Motorsports, will be doing a bit of
> >> old-fashioned "breathing" on the motor while it's in. *A bit more
> >> displacement, perhaps, possibly new cams or degreeing the stock cams,
> >> some higher-compression pistons... *nothing outrageous. *I'd like to
> >> see HP in the 145-150 range, which, in a 410 pound (wet) bike should
> >> keep me interested for another season or two.
>
> > *Is that rwhp, or engine hp?
>
> *At the wrist pin.
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Bill Smith

General observations on the 998 Testastretta motor as implemented in
the S4Rs. Ducati claimed 130hp in their advertising, most rear wheel
dynos showed 115-118 stock. With the 50mm full Termi system and DP
performance chip and DP performance modified airbox, most rear wheel
dyno runs I've seen show 127-130 horsepower.

Moto One performance in Australia have dyno tested all the modern
Ducatis, both stock and with various common modifications, one merely
has to visit their site to see actual rear wheel horsepower numbers.

tomorrow@erols.com wrote:

>> I understand what you say but have not discovered what desires are
>> behind it and what kind of riding 'lust' that refined piece of hardware
>> is about to fulfill. I guess there is a lot ahead of me.
>
> Hopefully!

what hopefully?


>>>>> 550 Aprilia around one evening, but truly missed the sheer brutal
>>>>> acceleration of the Ducati.
>>>> do not pretty much all 100HP+ bikes accelerate quite equal up to let's
>>>> say 90MPH?
>>> Not really.
>> But the practical differences are negligible. Perhaps you mean how the
>> engine develops and delivers the power. This is probably a different story.
>
> Not to mention the weight of the bikes, the presence or absence of
> wind protection, the seating position, the sound of the engine, the
> location and circumstances where the 100HP+ are put to use. Way too
> many variables for me to say any bike over 100HP will fit all my
> acceleration needs.

I do not get how the sound engine is related to the acceleration :-),
but damn, whatever. And the weight factor - not sure how to word it, but
the weight of the rider at least in my case it probably the first thing
to take care of. I could easily loss 10-15 pounds of my mass. And this
is high center of gravity mass :-).


>>> Huh. You say that you have not yet found the perfect bike for you.
>>> I've been riding for almost 31 years, and the bikes I have now are by
>>> far the best pair of street motorcycles FOR ME that I've ever had.
>> I am 27 years behind you :-).
>
> I envy you. I *may* have 27 additional years of motorcycling ahead of
> me, if I am very lucky. I hope I am!

you are!


> I told my longtime Ducati dealer and close friend that it Ducati ever
[...]
> him." So Christmas of 2005 I got a picture of an S4Rs in an envelope
> under the Xmas tree; it was my Christmas and birthday and anniversary
> present all rolled up in one.

It looks like it was totally unexpected! Cool. Thx for sharing. Will
tell that my wife :-).


>> Even though I could afford that 5% I guess it is still not a
>> thing I could appreciate.
>
> When I had been riding for four years, I could neither have afforded
> it nor would I have appreciated the difference the way I do not.

not to be too picky , just checking my English - was it suppose to be
'.... the way I do now'?

> When
> I had been riding for 14 years and when I had been riding for 24
> years, I could not have afforded to do it, although I could have
> appreciated it. Now, finally, I am in a position to do both. And
> happy to be here!

From that 31 years perspective - I have a serious question. Have riding
perfection developed at steady pace or has rather reached some
saturation many years ago. Or it was a sequence of more impulsing yet
easy to realize improvements?

>As far as affordability is concerned, there is a gorgeous blue and
>white 2005 S4R with under 1,000 miles on it being auctioned on eBay
>right now. I've seen bikes like this go for as low as $6,200 in some
>recent sales, which to me is a stone cold bargain.

I've wasted more money on dumber things than that. What does a full
service cost, one of those belts/hoses/timing belt/plug type services
cost?

>So Christmas of 2005 I got a picture of an S4Rs in an envelope
>under the Xmas tree; it was my Christmas and birthday and anniversary
>present all rolled up in one.

You were born as well as married on Christmas? Talk about getting
jipped over the years...people always combining your presents into a
single event like that....

On Dec 7, 6:33*pm, "tomor...@erols.com"
<tomorrowaterolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 7, 3:50*pm, saddlebag <saddle...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 7, 8:53*am, "tomor...@erols.com"
>
> > <tomorrowerolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Dec 7, 6:41*am, saddlebag <saddle...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Dec 6, 9:29*pm, "tomor...@erols.com"
>
> > > > <tomorrowerolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Dec 6, 8:11*pm, AlFire <spamgrinder.tryla...@ggmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > tomor...@erols.com wrote:
> > > > > > > .... for its 7500 mile service.
>
> > > > > > wow, three months worth of riding and a service ...
>
> > > > > Not when you have multiple bikes to ride. *I ride my Harley 10-12,000
> > > > > miles a year, the Ducati 3,000-3,500 miles a year, and all other bikes
> > > > > combined 1-3,000 miles per year, depending on what happens to be in my
> > > > > garage at any given time. *The Ducati had its 600 mile service about
> > > > > 30 months ago, has since had one oil and oil filter change, and now is
> > > > > having its first major service. * Not a bike to buy if you can't
> > > > > afford it, certainly. *Not a bike to buy if you can afford it and then
> > > > > begrudge the cost of maintaining it, imho.
>
> > > > > > > Oh, and my race sponsor, Duc Pond Motorsports, will be doing a bit of
> > > > > > > old-fashioned "breathing" on the motor while it's in. *A bit more
> > > > > > > displacement, perhaps, possibly new cams or degreeing the stock cams,
>
> > > > > > I was wondering the other day why you need more powerful bike on the
> > > > > > street then the one you have for the track? You mentioned that you do
> > > > > > not find fun riding above 130MPH.
>
> > > > > I've explained this before.
>
> > > > > It has nothing at all to do with need. * It has everything to do with
> > > > > preference. * I like riding air-cooled, 2v, v-twin Ducatis on the
> > > > > track, whether for racing or trackdays, with 60-80 hp and well under
> > > > > 400 pounds. * In fact, my Moto-ST race bike will be about 345 pounds
> > > > > as a track bike next year, with right around 75 hp. * That's perfect
> > > > > for me to go out and have fun at the track. * I am not fond of braking
> > > > > from speeds in excess of 150mph; a bike that tops out between 125-135
> > > > > is right where my comfort level is. *Normally, that is enough for me
> > > > > to lap faster than all but expert club racers on Japanese 600cc and
> > > > > literbikes in the 'expert' or 'racers' group at a track day. *And
> > > > > those that can go faster than me do, and they appear to be havinga
> > > > > lot of fun, too.
>
> > > > > On the street for sport (and occasionally commuting or an under 600
> > > > > mile weekend), I like a light, ridiculously overpowered bike on which
> > > > > I can sit up on and see the traffic around me. *Particularly LEO's. *I
> > > > > like to accelerate through first and second gears, working like hell
> > > > > to keep the front wheel on or near the ground, and then short shift on
> > > > > up from third. *If I am far enough out in the boonies, I will do the
> > > > > same thing all the way through third gear, and short shift up from
> > > > > fourth. *However, in the close environs of Fairfax County, Virginia,
> > > > > redline in third is inviting a jail stay, so it's extremely rare.* I
> > > > > never go fast enough to worry about my braking, although I'll admit to
> > > > > an occasional BRIEF foray above the ton. *Last summer I thoughtthat I
> > > > > might be interested in a lighter bike than my S4Rs and rode an SXV(?)
> > > > > 550 Aprilia around one evening, but truly missed the sheer brutal
> > > > > acceleration of the Ducati.
>
> > > > > My recent sporting streetbike progression was stock '92 Ducati 750SS
> > > > > 57hp, 412 pounds-> highly modifed 750SS 74hp, 357 pounds *--> stock
> > > > > '97 Triumph T509 Speed Triple 80hp, 460 pounds -> stock '99 Triumph
> > > > > T595 Speed Triple 100hp, 460 pounds -> stock '07 Ducati S4Rs ~115hp,
> > > > > 430 pounds -> lightened, tuned, full Termi S4Rs ~130hp, 410 pounds.
> > > > > If I can get the Ducati up to 145-150hp and just under 400 pounds, I
> > > > > think it will be even more fun than it is now.
>
> > > > > Each one has made me smile a little bit more than the last, and since
> > > > > the '97 Speed Triple caused me to abandon my then "who needs morethan
> > > > > 60hp anyway," attitude, I haven't found a bike with "too much"
> > > > > horsepower that made me think it would be more fun if only it were
> > > > > toned down some. * The work that Duc Pond will be doing to my bike is
> > > > > under the agreement that it will have no deleterious affect on
> > > > > rideability or streetability of the bike. *Frankly, I can't wait!
>
> > > > And if it lurches and sputters afterward you get your money back?
> > > > Kewl.
>
> > > Donnie has been building Ducati motors for over 25 years. *He built
> > > both of Screamin' Duc Racing's Moto-ST racebikes. * He has built
> > > numerous other streetbikes and racebikes for friends and acquaintances
> > > over many years. *He is a franchised dealer with factory training from
> > > Italy, including being one of the few authorized desmosedici
> > > technicians in the country. *
>
> > Pssst Timsey, your bike has TWO cylinders. *Maybe you should find a
> > guy who is trained on the those.
>
> See, this rampant stupidity is what makes you a liberal. *

No young man. Criminal neo-cons made me a liberal.

> You can't figure out that being trained to work on ONE very special V4 doesn't
> cancel out 25 years of working on and training for V-twins.

Or maybe I could, but would rather pull your chain? Nothing like
pissing off the hyperactive Chihuahua.

> You libs. *So vocal, yet so excruciatingly stupid.

Just be happy we are in charge to straighten out yet another
conservative disaster.

>* No wonder you drink to excess.

It helps me mask the stupidity of our electorate every eight years or
so. Isn't it time for you to leave some Megadittos at the alter of
Rush? Hurry, before you miss the part where he tells the country
folks that their *beliefs* are just as good as any silly scientific
theory...

On Dec 9, 1:05*am, "TroytheTroll" <f4_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >As far as affordability is concerned, there is a gorgeous blue and
> >white 2005 S4R with under 1,000 miles on it being auctioned on eBay
> >right now. *I've seen bikes like this go for as low as $6,200 in some
> >recent sales, which to me is a stone cold bargain.
>
> I've wasted more money on dumber things than that. What does a full
> service cost, one of those belts/hoses/timing belt/plug type services
> cost?

It depends a lot on the individual dealer. I've almost always had a
long term, sponsorship arrangement with the three Ducati dealers I've
done business with over the years, so I'm a little out of the loop as
to what the full retail price of services are. But I think a typical
4v service (which includes replacement of the cam drive belts) runs in
the high $400 to mid $500 range, in general. That's just my best
guess. I also think 4v Monsters in general cost less to service than
4v Superbikes or ST's, since there is no bodywork to R&R for access.

Calling your local Ducati dealers and just asking them would certainly
get you a more accurate figure, if it comes to the point where you're
seriously considering getting one, or seriously pricing what it would
cost you *if* you got one.

I would also urge anyone considering buying a Ducati for the first
time (even long term riders) to join a local Ducati club to get
feedback from local owners on which local dealer to utilize. In my
experience, there is a WIDE variance in capability and enthusiasm and
personal diligence between various Duc dealers, and choosing the right
dealer can often make the difference betwen being happy with or
miserable about your bike. Less so if you do a lot of your own work,
but very much so for riders who rely on the dealer for all mechanical
maintenance.

On Dec 9, 1:07*am, "TroytheTroll" <f4_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >So Christmas of 2005 I got a picture of an S4Rs in an envelope
> >under the Xmas tree; it was my Christmas and birthday and anniversary
> >present all rolled up in one.
>
> You were born as well as married on Christmas? Talk about getting
> jipped over the years...people always combining your presents into a
> single event like that....

My birthday falls within a week of Christmas and our anniversay falls
within a week of my birthday. That one gift pretty much made up for
any and all "combining" gyppage that might've taken place over the
years!

On Dec 9, 12:17*am, AlFire <spamgrinder.tryla...@ggmail.com> wrote:
> tomor...@erols.com wrote:
> >> I understand what you say but have not discovered what desires are
> >> behind it and what kind of riding 'lust' that refined piece of hardware
> >> is about to fulfill. I guess there is a lot ahead of me.
>
> > Hopefully!
>
> what hopefully?

Hopefully you DO have a lot of riding time ahead of you!!! (Nothing
is guaranteed in this life!)

> I do not get how the sound engine is related to the acceleration :-),
> but damn, whatever. And the weight factor - not sure how to word it, but
> the weight of the rider at least in my case it probably the first thing
> to take care of. I could easily loss 10-15 pounds of my mass. And this
> is high center of gravity mass :-).

Ditto here. I've been fighting the midriff bulge my entire adult
life. It's a constant battle. Right now I am close to my all-time
high, and need to lose a good 20 pounds. The only good thing is that
I am also at my all-time high for muscle mass, so I am not COMPLETELY
out of shape.

> > When I had been riding for four years, I could neither have afforded
> > it nor would I have appreciated the difference the way I do not.
>
> not to be too picky , just checking my English *- was it suppose to be
> '.... the way I do now'?

Yep.

> *> When
> > I had been riding for 14 years and when I had been riding for 24
> > years, I could not have afforded to do it, although I could have
> > appreciated it. * Now, finally, I am in a position to do both. *And
> > happy to be here!
>
> *From that 31 years perspective - I have a serious question. Have riding
> perfection developed at steady pace or has rather reached some
> saturation many years ago. Or it was a sequence of more impulsing yet
> easy to realize improvements?

I have found that street riding experiences that *help* me survive
(mental riding, attitude, riding strategies) have come rather steadily
over the years and continue to accumulate. As far as the pure riding
capabilities of physical skills, and riding at the limit, those
increased by leaps and bounds, specifically:

1. After eight years of riding as an untrained rider, taking the MSF
beginner course.
2. Three years later, taking the MSF Instructor training course, and
teaching other riders
3. In 1988, going to the Mid-Atlantic Road Racing Club's licensing
school and racing as a novice club racer.
4. In 1999, returning to racing and becoming expert ranked, winning
regional championships, and becoming a race school instructor and
teaching novice racers.
5. In 2008, racing for the first time in a national pro series.
Humbling, but I learned a lot.

Each of those opportunities made my skills "step up" to a level that I
had not previously reached. I had to push myself hard in each of
those instances, because I never have been and do not now consider
myself a "natural" rider. I have TAUGHT natural riders, and they
learn motorcycling skills with an ease that astonishies me even
today. I have also taught lots of riders who - like me - find it
difficult and challenging to aquire and hone new riding skills. But
in the end, it is awfully rewarding to do it right, and the motorcycle
rewards you with feedback that puts a smile on your face. And for me,
that's ultimately what it's all about. Smiling so hard that your face
actually hurts!

saddlebag wrote:
> On Dec 7, 6:33 pm, "tomor...@erols.com"
> <tomorrowaterolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 7, 3:50 pm, saddlebag <saddle...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 7, 8:53 am, "tomor...@erols.com"
>>> <tomorrowerolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Dec 7, 6:41 am, saddlebag <saddle...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 6, 9:29 pm, "tomor...@erols.com"
>>>>> <tomorrowerolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Dec 6, 8:11 pm, AlFire <spamgrinder.tryla...@ggmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> tomor...@erols.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> .... for its 7500 mile service.
>>>>>>> wow, three months worth of riding and a service ...
>>>>>> Not when you have multiple bikes to ride. I ride my Harley 10-12,000
>>>>>> miles a year, the Ducati 3,000-3,500 miles a year, and all other bikes
>>>>>> combined 1-3,000 miles per year, depending on what happens to be in my
>>>>>> garage at any given time. The Ducati had its 600 mile service about
>>>>>> 30 months ago, has since had one oil and oil filter change, and now is
>>>>>> having its first major service. Not a bike to buy if you can't
>>>>>> afford it, certainly. Not a bike to buy if you can afford it and then
>>>>>> begrudge the cost of maintaining it, imho.
>>>>>>>> Oh, and my race sponsor, Duc Pond Motorsports, will be doing a bit of
>>>>>>>> old-fashioned "breathing" on the motor while it's in. A bit more
>>>>>>>> displacement, perhaps, possibly new cams or degreeing the stock cams,
>>>>>>> I was wondering the other day why you need more powerful bike on the
>>>>>>> street then the one you have for the track? You mentioned that you do
>>>>>>> not find fun riding above 130MPH.
>>>>>> I've explained this before.
>>>>>> It has nothing at all to do with need. It has everything to do with
>>>>>> preference. I like riding air-cooled, 2v, v-twin Ducatis on the
>>>>>> track, whether for racing or trackdays, with 60-80 hp and well under
>>>>>> 400 pounds. In fact, my Moto-ST race bike will be about 345 pounds
>>>>>> as a track bike next year, with right around 75 hp. That's perfect
>>>>>> for me to go out and have fun at the track. I am not fond of braking
>>>>>> from speeds in excess of 150mph; a bike that tops out between 125-135
>>>>>> is right where my comfort level is. Normally, that is enough for me
>>>>>> to lap faster than all but expert club racers on Japanese 600cc and
>>>>>> literbikes in the 'expert' or 'racers' group at a track day. And
>>>>>> those that can go faster than me do, and they appear to be having a
>>>>>> lot of fun, too.
>>>>>> On the street for sport (and occasionally commuting or an under 600
>>>>>> mile weekend), I like a light, ridiculously overpowered bike on which
>>>>>> I can sit up on and see the traffic around me. Particularly LEO's. I
>>>>>> like to accelerate through first and second gears, working like hell
>>>>>> to keep the front wheel on or near the ground, and then short shift on
>>>>>> up from third. If I am far enough out in the boonies, I will do the
>>>>>> same thing all the way through third gear, and short shift up from
>>>>>> fourth. However, in the close environs of Fairfax County, Virginia,
>>>>>> redline in third is inviting a jail stay, so it's extremely rare. I
>>>>>> never go fast enough to worry about my braking, although I'll admit to
>>>>>> an occasional BRIEF foray above the ton. Last summer I thought that I
>>>>>> might be interested in a lighter bike than my S4Rs and rode an SXV(?)
>>>>>> 550 Aprilia around one evening, but truly missed the sheer brutal
>>>>>> acceleration of the Ducati.
>>>>>> My recent sporting streetbike progression was stock '92 Ducati 750SS
>>>>>> 57hp, 412 pounds-> highly modifed 750SS 74hp, 357 pounds --> stock
>>>>>> '97 Triumph T509 Speed Triple 80hp, 460 pounds -> stock '99 Triumph
>>>>>> T595 Speed Triple 100hp, 460 pounds -> stock '07 Ducati S4Rs ~115hp,
>>>>>> 430 pounds -> lightened, tuned, full Termi S4Rs ~130hp, 410 pounds.
>>>>>> If I can get the Ducati up to 145-150hp and just under 400 pounds, I
>>>>>> think it will be even more fun than it is now.
>>>>>> Each one has made me smile a little bit more than the last, and since
>>>>>> the '97 Speed Triple caused me to abandon my then "who needs more than
>>>>>> 60hp anyway," attitude, I haven't found a bike with "too much"
>>>>>> horsepower that made me think it would be more fun if only it were
>>>>>> toned down some. The work that Duc Pond will be doing to my bike is
>>>>>> under the agreement that it will have no deleterious affect on
>>>>>> rideability or streetability of the bike. Frankly, I can't wait!
>>>>> And if it lurches and sputters afterward you get your money back?
>>>>> Kewl.
>>>> Donnie has been building Ducati motors for over 25 years. He built
>>>> both of Screamin' Duc Racing's Moto-ST racebikes. He has built
>>>> numerous other streetbikes and racebikes for friends and acquaintances
>>>> over many years. He is a franchised dealer with factory training from
>>>> Italy, including being one of the few authorized desmosedici
>>>> technicians in the country.
>>> Pssst Timsey, your bike has TWO cylinders. Maybe you should find a
>>> guy who is trained on the those.
>> See, this rampant stupidity is what makes you a liberal.
>
> No young man. Criminal neo-cons made me a liberal.

Liberal musta made this guy a Criminal neo-con then: :-P

http://preview.tinyurl.com/5b7rtw

On Dec 9, 1:50*pm, Steve Mackay <mackay.st...@att.net> wrote:
> saddlebag wrote:
> > On Dec 7, 6:33 pm, "tomor...@erols.com"
> > <tomorrowaterolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Dec 7, 3:50 pm, saddlebag <saddle...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Dec 7, 8:53 am, "tomor...@erols.com"
> >>> <tomorrowerolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Dec 7, 6:41 am, saddlebag <saddle...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Dec 6, 9:29 pm, "tomor...@erols.com"
> >>>>> <tomorrowerolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Dec 6, 8:11 pm, AlFire <spamgrinder.tryla...@ggmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> tomor...@erols.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> .... for its 7500 mile service.
> >>>>>>> wow, three months worth of riding and a service ...
> >>>>>> Not when you have multiple bikes to ride. *I ride my Harley 10-12,000
> >>>>>> miles a year, the Ducati 3,000-3,500 miles a year, and all other bikes
> >>>>>> combined 1-3,000 miles per year, depending on what happens to be in my
> >>>>>> garage at any given time. *The Ducati had its 600 mile service about
> >>>>>> 30 months ago, has since had one oil and oil filter change, and now is
> >>>>>> having its first major service. * Not a bike to buy if you can't
> >>>>>> afford it, certainly. *Not a bike to buy if you can afford it and then
> >>>>>> begrudge the cost of maintaining it, imho.
> >>>>>>>> Oh, and my race sponsor, Duc Pond Motorsports, will be doing a bit of
> >>>>>>>> old-fashioned "breathing" on the motor while it's in. *A bit more
> >>>>>>>> displacement, perhaps, possibly new cams or degreeing the stock cams,
> >>>>>>> I was wondering the other day why you need more powerful bike on the
> >>>>>>> street then the one you have for the track? You mentioned that you do
> >>>>>>> not find fun riding above 130MPH.
> >>>>>> I've explained this before.
> >>>>>> It has nothing at all to do with need. * It has everything to dowith
> >>>>>> preference. * I like riding air-cooled, 2v, v-twin Ducatis on the
> >>>>>> track, whether for racing or trackdays, with 60-80 hp and well under
> >>>>>> 400 pounds. * In fact, my Moto-ST race bike will be about 345 pounds
> >>>>>> as a track bike next year, with right around 75 hp. * That's perfect
> >>>>>> for me to go out and have fun at the track. * I am not fond of braking
> >>>>>> from speeds in excess of 150mph; a bike that tops out between 125-135
> >>>>>> is right where my comfort level is. *Normally, that is enough for me
> >>>>>> to lap faster than all but expert club racers on Japanese 600cc and
> >>>>>> literbikes in the 'expert' or 'racers' group at a track day. *And
> >>>>>> those that can go faster than me do, and they appear to be having a
> >>>>>> lot of fun, too.
> >>>>>> On the street for sport (and occasionally commuting or an under 600
> >>>>>> mile weekend), I like a light, ridiculously overpowered bike on which
> >>>>>> I can sit up on and see the traffic around me. *Particularly LEO's. *I
> >>>>>> like to accelerate through first and second gears, working like hell
> >>>>>> to keep the front wheel on or near the ground, and then short shift on
> >>>>>> up from third. *If I am far enough out in the boonies, I will dothe
> >>>>>> same thing all the way through third gear, and short shift up from
> >>>>>> fourth. *However, in the close environs of Fairfax County, Virginia,
> >>>>>> redline in third is inviting a jail stay, so it's extremely rare. * I
> >>>>>> never go fast enough to worry about my braking, although I'll admit to
> >>>>>> an occasional BRIEF foray above the ton. *Last summer I thought that I
> >>>>>> might be interested in a lighter bike than my S4Rs and rode an SXV(?)
> >>>>>> 550 Aprilia around one evening, but truly missed the sheer brutal
> >>>>>> acceleration of the Ducati.
> >>>>>> My recent sporting streetbike progression was stock '92 Ducati 750SS
> >>>>>> 57hp, 412 pounds-> highly modifed 750SS 74hp, 357 pounds *--> stock
> >>>>>> '97 Triumph T509 Speed Triple 80hp, 460 pounds -> stock '99 Triumph
> >>>>>> T595 Speed Triple 100hp, 460 pounds -> stock '07 Ducati S4Rs ~115hp,
> >>>>>> 430 pounds -> lightened, tuned, full Termi S4Rs ~130hp, 410 pounds..
> >>>>>> If I can get the Ducati up to 145-150hp and just under 400 pounds,I
> >>>>>> think it will be even more fun than it is now.
> >>>>>> Each one has made me smile a little bit more than the last, and since
> >>>>>> the '97 Speed Triple caused me to abandon my then "who needs more than
> >>>>>> 60hp anyway," attitude, I haven't found a bike with "too much"
> >>>>>> horsepower that made me think it would be more fun if only it were
> >>>>>> toned down some. * The work that Duc Pond will be doing to my bike is
> >>>>>> under the agreement that it will have no deleterious affect on
> >>>>>> rideability or streetability of the bike. *Frankly, I can't wait!
> >>>>> And if it lurches and sputters afterward you get your money back?
> >>>>> Kewl.
> >>>> Donnie has been building Ducati motors for over 25 years. *He built
> >>>> both of Screamin' Duc Racing's Moto-ST racebikes. * He has built
> >>>> numerous other streetbikes and racebikes for friends and acquaintances
> >>>> over many years. *He is a franchised dealer with factory training from
> >>>> Italy, including being one of the few authorized desmosedici
> >>>> technicians in the country. *
> >>> Pssst Timsey, your bike has TWO cylinders. *Maybe you should find a
> >>> guy who is trained on the those.
> >> See, this rampant stupidity is what makes you a liberal. *
>
> > No young man. *Criminal neo-cons made me a liberal.
>
> Liberal musta made this guy a Criminal neo-con then: *:-P
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/5b7rtw

One slight difference being that liberals are pissed and want that
asshole hung too. We tend not to discriminate amongst such
criminals. I challenge you to find a single "liberal" making excuses
for him. This is diametrically opposed to the Faux News/Talk radio
conservative criminal coverup spin machine.

"tomorrow@erols.com" <tomorrowerolsdotcom@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:ab77975c-fd14-43e1-ac72-c906e0959537@a37g2000pre.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 9, 1:07*am, "TroytheTroll" <f4_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >So Christmas of 2005 I got a picture of an S4Rs in an envelope
>> >under the Xmas tree; it was my Christmas and birthday and anniversary
>> >present all rolled up in one.
>>
>> You were born as well as married on Christmas? Talk about getting
>> jipped over the years...people always combining your presents into a
>> single event like that....
>
> My birthday falls within a week of Christmas and our anniversay falls
> within a week of my birthday. That one gift pretty much made up for
> any and all "combining" gyppage that might've taken place over the
> years!
>

Well, my B'day and Xmas are within a couple of days but I mamaged to marry
in the summer

--
Bob Mann

Cap'n, ah need moor pow'r.