I have a Honda Shadow 600 (4-speed). I've noticed that the Honda Shadow 750
has a 5-speed transmission.

Will the 750 go any faster and/or smoother, and is the top gear a little
higher?

I'm not a speed demon, but once in a while on the freeway I get up to 75 or
80. The engine is clearly turning kind of fast. I'm wondering if a 5-speed
would help that.

Thanks.
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On Sep 23, 4:21 pm, "David T. Ashley" <d...@e3ft.com> wrote:

> Will the 750 go any faster and/or smoother, and is the top gear a little
> higher?

The 750 probably has around 25% more torque and horsepower.

You can google for those models and the specifications and calculate
the road speed at maximum RPM in the various gears using this
calculator:

http://www.650ccnd.com/calc.htm

> I'm not a speed demon, but once in a while on the freeway I get up to 75 or
> 80. The engine is clearly turning kind of fast. I'm wondering if a 5-speed
> would help that.

5th gear is usually an overdrive gear, i.e., less than 1 to 1.

If 5th gear in a motorcycle transmission is "too tall", you have to
keep shifting back into 4th gear for every little hill, or ride in 4th
gear on a windy day if the bike doesn't have enough power to pull 5th
gear.

That might be why there's no 5th gear in your 600 Shadow.

On Sep 23, 7:21 pm, "David T. Ashley" <d...@e3ft.com> wrote:
> I have a Honda Shadow 600 (4-speed). I've noticed that the Honda Shadow 750
> has a 5-speed transmission.
>
> Will the 750 go any faster and/or smoother, and is the top gear a little
> higher?

The 750 will give you more top end smooth speed than the 600, but I
like the styling of the 600 better from an aesthetic viewpoint.

That said, the 750 Aero (or one of the other models, i suppose; but I
owned the Aero) is an excellent bike and is good at 65-70 on the
highway. It can do slightly more than 100, if needed.

Around town, my Aero was super comfortable; I likened it to a chaise
lounge on wheels.

That said, the 750 Aero doesn't touch my VTX1800 for high speed
riding. 70, 80, 90mph feels the same on my VTX.

>
> I'm not a speed demon, but once in a while on the freeway I get up to 75 or
> 80. The engine is clearly turning kind of fast. I'm wondering if a 5-speed
> would help that.

The 5 speed and slightly larger displacement will help - some. I
didn't find the 750 Aero super comfortable at anything above 65; I
even avoided the interstate because of it.

With my VTx, i jump on the interstate every chance I get.

Greg

>
> Thanks.
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David T. Ashley <[email protected]> wrote:

> I have a Honda Shadow 600 (4-speed). I've noticed that the Honda Shadow 750
> has a 5-speed transmission.
>
> Will the 750 go any faster and/or smoother, and is the top gear a little
> higher?

Yes
>
> I'm not a speed demon, but once in a while on the freeway I get up to 75 or
> 80. The engine is clearly turning kind of fast. I'm wondering if a 5-speed
> would help that.

I have an idea. Go out and buy a Triumph Rocket Three. That has a much
higher top gear, and will go faster, and also has a five-speed box,
thereby solving all your problems in one.


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On Sep 23, 7:21 pm, "David T. Ashley" <d...@e3ft.com> wrote:
> Will the 750 go any faster and/or smoother, and is the top gear a little
> higher?

I'm riding an older Shadow 750, and it has a 6 speed transmission. At
80 mph, I'm turning about 4200 rpm. It's very comfortable; in fact
the bike seems to "want" to go 80. It takes willpower to hold it back
on interstates.

On Sep 24, 8:43 am, rb608 <junkmail...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Sep 23, 7:21 pm, "David T. Ashley" <d...@e3ft.com> wrote:
>
> > Will the 750 go any faster and/or smoother, and is the top gear a little
> > higher?
>
> I'm riding an older Shadow 750, and it has a 6 speed transmission. At
> 80 mph, I'm turning about 4200 rpm. It's very comfortable; in fact
> the bike seems to "want" to go 80. It takes willpower to hold it back
> on interstates.

Let me tack on... I mentioned above that I avoided interstates on my
Aero 750 because I didn't feel comfortable at sustained speeds above
65mph. The primary reason was because it didn't have a stable feel in
traffic, inbetween tractor-trailers, with high winds - that sort of
thing. It's not because the bike can't make speed - which may be a
downside of the 600, I don't know.

Greg

The VTX is a much better Interstate traveller!


"oasysco" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ps.com...
> On Sep 24, 8:43 am, rb608 <junkmail...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Sep 23, 7:21 pm, "David T. Ashley" <d...@e3ft.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Will the 750 go any faster and/or smoother, and is the top gear a
>> > little
>> > higher?
>>
>> I'm riding an older Shadow 750, and it has a 6 speed transmission. At
>> 80 mph, I'm turning about 4200 rpm. It's very comfortable; in fact
>> the bike seems to "want" to go 80. It takes willpower to hold it back
>> on interstates.
>
> Let me tack on... I mentioned above that I avoided interstates on my
> Aero 750 because I didn't feel comfortable at sustained speeds above
> 65mph. The primary reason was because it didn't have a stable feel in
> traffic, inbetween tractor-trailers, with high winds - that sort of
> thing. It's not because the bike can't make speed - which may be a
> downside of the 600, I don't know.
>
> Greg
>

On Sep 24, 10:07 am, oasysco <wilderkom...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Let me tack on... I mentioned above that I avoided interstates on my
> Aero 750 because I didn't feel comfortable at sustained speeds above
> 65mph. The primary reason was because it didn't have a stable feel in
> traffic, inbetween tractor-trailers, with high winds - that sort of
> thing. It's not because the bike can't make speed - which may be a
> downside of the 600, I don't know.

I know what you mean re: stability. Way back when, I took my Honda
350 up to about 85 just for fun. Scared the shit out of me. I swore
I'd never ride a bike that fast again. Yeah, it would do it, but I
was less than comfortable. I'm actually surprised at the stability of
the 750. Maybe it's the weight (480 lbs.)

Joe

On Sep 24, 7:20?am, rb608 <junkmail...@verizon.net> wrote:

> I'm actually surprised at the stability of the 750. Maybe it's the weight (480 lbs.)

Close. It's the percentage of weight on the front tire's contact
patch, plus the steering geometry, the tire's section profile, and the
rubber compound that makes a motorcycle feel stable.

Sportbikes carry more weight on a wider front tire that is made of
grippy rubber, so sportbikes can feel stable at speeds of 150 mph or
higher.

OTOH, a stable vehicle doesn't "want" to change direction quickly, so
the tire manufacturers came up with tires that have pointy section
profiles so the motorcycle will turn quicker. The motorcycle becomes
less stable in a straight line.

Cruisers generally have harder tires and a rearward weight bias. The
tire carcass is usually quite limber, compared to a sporty tire, so a
cruiser usually won't have the precise steering that a sportbike has,
unless the cruiser has a 21-inch front tire.

But cruisers with 21-inch front tires don't feel stable at much over
80 mph because the tire contact patch is so narrow.

If you put a great big balloon tire on the front of a cruiser, like
Harley has been doing for 60 years, you get a cruiser that steers like
a boat, unless the tire has a really stiff carcass like a sportbike
has.

If the tire carcass is very stiff but the tire has deep water
channels, the tread blocks become separated and they flex around under
mild cornering, and pretty soon the tire is cupped or scalloped and it
feels unstable for that reason.

You can't have everything you want at the same time, it's all a
compromise between being comfortable at low speed on a cruiser or
riding all bent over like a monkey fucking a football.

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 05:43:58 -0700, rb608 <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sep 23, 7:21 pm, "David T. Ashley" <d...@e3ft.com> wrote:
>> Will the 750 go any faster and/or smoother, and is the top gear a little
>> higher?
>
>I'm riding an older Shadow 750, and it has a 6 speed transmission. At
>80 mph, I'm turning about 4200 rpm. It's very comfortable; in fact
>the bike seems to "want" to go 80. It takes willpower to hold it back
>on interstates.

Those older Shadows were completely different animals.
--
Bob Mann

Sex is like air; it's not important unless you
aren't getting any

On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:19:34 -0700, oasysco <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sep 23, 7:21 pm, "David T. Ashley" <d...@e3ft.com> wrote:
>> I have a Honda Shadow 600 (4-speed). I've noticed that the Honda Shadow 750
>> has a 5-speed transmission.
>>
>> Will the 750 go any faster and/or smoother, and is the top gear a little
>> higher?
>
>The 750 will give you more top end smooth speed than the 600, but I
>like the styling of the 600 better from an aesthetic viewpoint.

Not me. The 750s both look far better to me.
>
>That said, the 750 Aero (or one of the other models, i suppose; but I
>owned the Aero) is an excellent bike and is good at 65-70 on the
>highway. It can do slightly more than 100, if needed.

Top speed is about 105 based on personal observation.
65-70 is the practical cruising speed with 75-80 abvout maximum
cruising speed but with far worse gas mileage.

--
Bob Mann

Sex is like air; it's not important unless you
aren't getting any

On Sep 24, 11:01 am, Bob Mann <B...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Those older Shadows were completely different animals.

No shit? I was thinking that if/when I ever got the $$ together, I'd
get a newer Shadow based on how much I like this one. Are they that
dissimilar? They look pretty much the same, just a bit bulkier.

Krusty/Albrecht/Morrgaine/Buteo/Nysse/. wrote:

> Close.
> like a monkey fucking a football.

Har! Nysse didn't last a week!

--
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-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:20:49 -0700, rb608 <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sep 24, 10:07 am, oasysco <wilderkom...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Let me tack on... I mentioned above that I avoided interstates on my
>> Aero 750 because I didn't feel comfortable at sustained speeds above
>> 65mph. The primary reason was because it didn't have a stable feel in
>> traffic, inbetween tractor-trailers, with high winds - that sort of
>> thing. It's not because the bike can't make speed - which may be a
>> downside of the 600, I don't know.
>
>I know what you mean re: stability. Way back when, I took my Honda
>350 up to about 85 just for fun. Scared the shit out of me.

Hell - I had my CB360 over 100, and didn't even have to stop
to change my panties :-)


> I swore
>I'd never ride a bike that fast again. Yeah, it would do it, but I
>was less than comfortable. I'm actually surprised at the stability of
>the 750. Maybe it's the weight (480 lbs.)

The 350 / 360 were 400 lb.



>
>Joe

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On Sep 24, 2:22 am, chateau.murray.takethis...@dsl.pipex.com (The
Older Gentleman) wrote:
> David T. Ashley <d...@e3ft.com> wrote:

> > I'm not a speed demon, but once in a while on the freeway I get up to 75 or
> > 80. The engine is clearly turning kind of fast. I'm wondering if a 5-speed
> > would help that.
>
> I have an idea. Go out and buy a Triumph Rocket Three. That has a much
> higher top gear, and will go faster, and also has a five-speed box,
> thereby solving all your problems in one.

Or he could buy a pre-2007 Harley "big twin" and have it bored and
stroked to 103 cubic inches and add the 6-speed transmission. Then he
will have a motorcycle that can't pull sixth gear except at speeds
over 65mph. However, he will save 2/10's of a gallon of gas every
highway tank over the same engine with a 5-speed. Ought to pay for
the 6-speed in about 500,000 miles or so!

(Don't ask me how I know.....)

On Sep 24, 11:31 am, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> Hell - I had my CB360 over 100, and didn't even have to stop
> to change my panties :-)

Damn! Part of my problem, IIRC, was that I had some loose spokes on
the rear wheel. Headed to work one morning at about 65 down 95 in S.
Jersey, I got a case of the wobbles that was the only time I thought I
was going to die. Managed to slow it down & regain control at about
55. Fixed the wheel after that.

>The 350 / 360 were 400 lb.

Yeah, I seem to remember 380 was the dry weight for mine; but my bike
and I are both about 100 pounds heavier than we were then. :-)

Joe F.

On Sep 24, 10:20 am, rb608 <junkmail...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Sep 24, 10:07 am, oasysco <wilderkom...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Let me tack on... I mentioned above that I avoided interstates on my
> > Aero 750 because I didn't feel comfortable at sustained speeds above
> > 65mph. The primary reason was because it didn't have a stable feel in
> > traffic, inbetween tractor-trailers, with high winds - that sort of
> > thing. It's not because the bike can't make speed - which may be a
> > downside of the 600, I don't know.
>
> I know what you mean re: stability. Way back when, I took my Honda
> 350 up to about 85 just for fun. Scared the shit out of me. I swore
> I'd never ride a bike that fast again. Yeah, it would do it, but I
> was less than comfortable. I'm actually surprised at the stability of
> the 750. Maybe it's the weight (480 lbs.)
>
> Joe

You have the ACE series, right. The Aero was redesigned to some extent
- two carbs down to one; shaft instead of chain drive. The Aero was
one low bike. Stand up at a light and I had what felt like 2 feet
between the seat and my butt. I wonder if that low seat placement
where I felt like I was "in" the bike accounted for the way I got
blown back and forth in high wind. You'd think it'd go the other way,
but my Aero was only like 150lbs lighter than my VTX, but probably
near 250lbs now with the junk I've added.

I'd been pining over that Aero since I sold it. it was paid off, I was
2nd owner, I kept it in tip top mech and cosmetic cond; it was easy to
ride and throw around (compared to my VTX), I didn't spend an arm and
a leg on it, got great MPG, and around town it was truly a lounge
chair ride. I would let my son use it if I still had it and I'd
probably use it around town.

Anyway, the guy I sold it to emails me outta the blue this weekend,
looking for the key for the helmet lock. I told him to use the
ignition key and asked if was going to keep the bike. He is separating
fomr the NAVY next year and moving home. He promised to keep me in
mind when ho does sell it.

Greg

"oasysco" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The 5 speed and slightly larger displacement will help - some. I
> didn't find the 750 Aero super comfortable at anything above 65; I
> even avoided the interstate because of it.

Thanks for all the advice. The issue for me is that I'm kind of an awkward
rider (for example, every once in a while I brake in a curve and forget to
fully straighten the bike up and have to put a foot down at the end to catch
it). Having a fairly light bike (460 lbs or so) lets me do dumb things and
still be able to catch the bike.

The VTX 1800 you cited would require me to become a better rider.

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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:43:29 -0700, rb608 <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sep 24, 11:31 am, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>> Hell - I had my CB360 over 100, and didn't even have to stop
>> to change my panties :-)
>
>Damn!

I forgot to add 'They were sucked so far up my anal cavity, I
couldn't have changed them if I tried' :-)

> Part of my problem, IIRC, was that I had some loose spokes on
>the rear wheel. Headed to work one morning at about 65 down 95 in S.
>Jersey, I got a case of the wobbles that was the only time I thought I
>was going to die. Managed to slow it down & regain control at about
>55. Fixed the wheel after that.
>
>>The 350 / 360 were 400 lb.
>
>Yeah, I seem to remember 380 was the dry weight for mine; but my bike
>and I are both about 100 pounds heavier than we were then. :-)
>
>Joe F.

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rb608 <[email protected]> wrote:

> Way back when, I took my Honda
> 350 up to about 85 just for fun. Scared the shit out of me. I swore
> I'd never ride a bike that fast again.

*Boggle*


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On Sep 24, 7:42 am, "." <Rhiann...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> But cruisers with 21-inch front tires don't feel stable at much over
> 80 mph because the tire contact patch is so narrow.
>

Mine wasn't bad at all (even up to 120 mph).
Drag bikes top 200 mph with a skinny front tire.
--
Rayvan

On Sep 24, 8:18?am, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:
> Krusty/Albrecht/Morrgaine/Buteo/Nysse/. wrote:
> > Close.
> > like a monkey fucking a football.
>
> Har! Nysse didn't last a week!

Hey, creep!

Who made you the newsgroup monitor?

Krusty/Albrecht/Morrgaine/Buteo/Nysse/Dot wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Krusty/Albrecht/Morrgaine/Buteo/Nysse/. wrote:
>>> Close.
>>> like a monkey fucking a football.
>>
>> Har! Nysse didn't last a week!
>
> Hey, creep!
>
> Who made you the newsgroup monitor?

First one who notices you've nym-shifted gets to mention it.

Why are you so afraid to be just one person?

--
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-Odds are good next he will be: "Comma"

On Sep 24, 12:52?pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:

> First one who notices you've nym-shifted gets to mention it.

So what's the prize? Do you get to suck everybody's dick?

Krusty/Albrecht/Morrgaine/Buteo/Nysse/Dot/Questionmark wrote:

> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>> First one who notices you've nym-shifted gets to mention it.
>
> So what's the prize? Do you get to suck everybody's dick?

There is no prize. You aren't worth a prize.

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On Sep 24, 1:46?pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:

> There is no prize. You aren't worth a prize.

In that case, just make a date with TOG and sod off.

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:14:22 -0700, rb608 <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sep 24, 11:01 am, Bob Mann <B...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> Those older Shadows were completely different animals.
>
>No shit? I was thinking that if/when I ever got the $$ together, I'd
>get a newer Shadow based on how much I like this one. Are they that
>dissimilar? They look pretty much the same, just a bit bulkier.

I really don't think so.
There are some similarities of course but I think the older ones had a
bit more power.
--
Bob Mann

Sex is like air; it's not important unless you
aren't getting any

? <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sep 24, 1:46?pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
> <a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > There is no prize. You aren't worth a prize.
>
> In that case, just make a date with TOG and sod off.

*Proud*.


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? <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sep 24, 12:52?pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
> <a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > First one who notices you've nym-shifted gets to mention it.
>
> So what's the prize? Do you get to suck everybody's dick?

Sometimes I wonder if you're a closet queen, you know. A lot of
homophobes are. Allegedly.


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On Sep 25, 2:19 am, chateau.murray.takethis...@dsl.pipex.com (The
Older Gentleman) wrote:
> ? <Rhiann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 24, 12:52?pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
> > <a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > First one who notices you've nym-shifted gets to mention it.
>
> > So what's the prize? Do you get to suck everybody's dick?
>
> Sometimes I wonder if you're a closet queen, you know. A lot of
> homophobes are. Allegedly.

Only if they're US Senators.

>
> --
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> GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
> BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....