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08-21-2008, 01:18 PM
| | |  Re: A "new tyres" thread
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:02:38 +0200, Andy Bonwick
<nospam@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:48:03 +0100, ginge
><the.gingeREMOVE@THISgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:43:00 +0100, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <MPG.23175499534f06169896bf@news.motzarella.org> , ogden
>>>says...
>>
>>>> No idea. Riding a bike in cold and wet weather doesn't sound very
>>>> pleasant so I don't generally bother.
>>>
>>>It doesn't look like I'm going to have much of a choice 
>>>
>>>http://uk.weather.com/weather/10day-Douglas-IMXX0002
>>>
>>>Still, the IoM weather is a law unto itself, so it could go either way.
>>
>>I'm consoling myself with the fact my brand new tyre should be
>>scrubbed in by the ride to liverpool... on the M6.
>>
>Just go and ride the bike to the Black Horse and it'll be job done.
Not going to have time, I'll just have to get there dump the luggage
then do a sighting lap. |
08-21-2008, 02:11 PM
| | | Re: A "new tyres" thread
Colin Irvine wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:40:48 +0100, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> squeezed out the following:
>
> > In article <e7gqa41unrb7f9jkpbhk5uc4noinqjvom7@4ax.com>, Colin
> > Irvine says...
> >
> >> Fewer longevity, mind.
> >
> > *nice*
> >
> > Aren't the Loz-recommended Azaros the touring tyre of choice now?
> >
> > I forget
>
> And you're asking me to remember? You've forgotten how old I am as
> well, haven't you?
We've moved on from those.
Lozzo now recommends the Michelin Pilot Road2 2CT as the definitive
sports touring tyre, with good wear and wet weather capability.
I put them on my Daytona and they rocked.
--
Lozzo |
08-21-2008, 02:43 PM
| | | Re: A "new tyres" thread
On Aug 20, 12:21 pm, Bear <bastardDOTb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <m8vna41skoc1vldgnb0uocpq7ph26ku...@4ax.com>, ginge says...
>
> > On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:46:08 +0100, Bear <bastardDOTb...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >I won't buy Dunlops again, so it's all immaterial for me anyway 
>
> > I remember, "Tyres of death!"
>
> I'm sure the new ones are great if Andy says they are, but
> AFAIC Dunlop owe at least a dozen pairs of clean undercrackers, for
> crimes committed on me over the years.
lol. You can't damn the entire compny on a couple of turkeys.
Apart from the scariest tyre on the face of the planet (the Michelin
Macadam bakelite hoop of death) i've not had anything let go
unexpectedly.
I've had a few skips and spinups in the rain or on leaves, but let's
face it , in those conditions you're expecting some slippiness.
P. |
08-21-2008, 03:27 PM
| | | Re: A "new tyres" thread
In article <b5d9ddd0-6d5b-4688-a3d3-32274637e157
@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, says...
> On Aug 20, 12:21 pm, Bear <bastardDOTb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <m8vna41skoc1vldgnb0uocpq7ph26ku...@4ax.com>, ginge says...
> >
> > > On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:46:08 +0100, Bear <bastardDOTb...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >I won't buy Dunlops again, so it's all immaterial for me anyway
> >
> > > I remember, "Tyres of death!"
> >
> > I'm sure the new ones are great if Andy says they are, but
> > AFAIC Dunlop owe at least a dozen pairs of clean undercrackers, for
> > crimes committed on me over the years.
>
> lol. You can't damn the entire compny on a couple of turkeys.
Watch me. And it was more than a couple.
--
Bear
2002 Yamaha R1
Saab Aero Sport |
08-21-2008, 03:29 PM
| | | Re: A "new tyres" thread
In article <6h57r8Fjhfu9U1@mid.individual.net>, Lozzo says...
> Colin Irvine wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:40:48 +0100, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> > squeezed out the following:
> >
> > > In article <e7gqa41unrb7f9jkpbhk5uc4noinqjvom7@4ax.com>, Colin
> > > Irvine says...
> > >
> > >> Fewer longevity, mind.
> > >
> > > *nice*
> > >
> > > Aren't the Loz-recommended Azaros the touring tyre of choice now?
> > >
> > > I forget
> >
> > And you're asking me to remember? You've forgotten how old I am as
> > well, haven't you?
>
> We've moved on from those.
>
> Lozzo now recommends the Michelin Pilot Road2 2CT as the definitive
> sports touring tyre, with good wear and wet weather capability.
There you are CT - Lozzo has spoken. Buy what him said.
> I put them on my Daytona and they rocked.
What about full-on, litrebike sports tyres?
I mean I know you don't have a fast bike anymore, but I also know you
know a lot of good riders who do, and you know lots about this sort of
thing ... what should I get? Renns? These 015 thingies Ben was talking
about? Michelin Pilot Race Cup or whatever they're called? Help! I've
got "too much choice" confusion
--
Bear
2002 Yamaha R1
Saab Aero Sport  |
08-21-2008, 04:28 PM
| | | Re: A "new tyres" thread
Bear wrote:
> In article <6h57r8Fjhfu9U1@mid.individual.net>, Lozzo says...
> > Colin Irvine wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:40:48 +0100, Bear
> > > <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> squeezed out the following:
> > >
> > > > In article <e7gqa41unrb7f9jkpbhk5uc4noinqjvom7@4ax.com>, Colin
> > > > Irvine says...
> > > >
> > > >> Fewer longevity, mind.
> > > >
> > > > nice
> > > >
> > > > Aren't the Loz-recommended Azaros the touring tyre of choice
> > > > now?
> > > >
> > > > I forget
> > >
> > > And you're asking me to remember? You've forgotten how old I am as
> > > well, haven't you?
> >
> > We've moved on from those.
> >
> > Lozzo now recommends the Michelin Pilot Road2 2CT as the definitive
> > sports touring tyre, with good wear and wet weather capability.
>
> There you are CT - Lozzo has spoken. Buy what him said.
>
> > I put them on my Daytona and they rocked.
>
> What about full-on, litrebike sports tyres?
>
> I mean I know you don't have a fast bike anymore, but I also know you
> know a lot of good riders who do, and you know lots about this sort
> of thing ... what should I get? Renns? These 015 thingies Ben was
> talking about? Michelin Pilot Race Cup or whatever they're called?
> Help! I've got "too much choice" confusion
All depends how much grip you want for the money, and how long (or
short) you're prepared for them to last.
Danny raced the last 6 races on his bike with road legal Metzeler
Racetecs on. He used the same pair to get 2 wins and a 2nd at Brands
Indy with New Era, do a full day's trackday instruction and then go to
Snetterton for a Derby Phoenix meet and get a 4th, 3rd and a 2nd,
before we put the bike in the van and went home cos he'd sold it. I
like the Racetecs, they're not too far removed from a slick but they
warm up faster and don't go cold as quick.
--
Lozzo |
08-21-2008, 04:33 PM
| | | Re: A "new tyres" thread
In article <6h5fsoFj672tU1@mid.individual.net>, Lozzo says...
> Bear wrote:
> > What about full-on, litrebike sports tyres?
> >
> > I mean I know you don't have a fast bike anymore, but I also know you
> > know a lot of good riders who do, and you know lots about this sort
> > of thing ... what should I get? Renns? These 015 thingies Ben was
> > talking about? Michelin Pilot Race Cup or whatever they're called?
> > Help! I've got "too much choice" confusion
>
> All depends how much grip you want for the money, and how long (or
> short) you're prepared for them to last.
Don't give a rat's fart for longevity. In any sense
> Danny raced the last 6 races on his bike with road legal Metzeler
> Racetecs on. He used the same pair to get 2 wins and a 2nd at Brands
> Indy with New Era, do a full day's trackday instruction and then go to
> Snetterton for a Derby Phoenix meet and get a 4th, 3rd and a 2nd,
> before we put the bike in the van and went home cos he'd sold it. I
> like the Racetecs, they're not too far removed from a slick but they
> warm up faster and don't go cold as quick.
Sounds spiffy ... what are they like in the wet? The Rennsports don't
have many grooves, but I was amazed how well they gripped in the wet.
--
Bear
2002 Yamaha R1
Saab Aero Sport |
08-21-2008, 04:37 PM
| | | Re: A "new tyres" thread
Bear wrote:
> In article <6h5fsoFj672tU1@mid.individual.net>, Lozzo says...
> > Bear wrote:
>
> > > What about full-on, litrebike sports tyres?
> > >
> > > I mean I know you don't have a fast bike anymore, but I also know
> > > you know a lot of good riders who do, and you know lots about
> > > this sort of thing ... what should I get? Renns? These 015
> > > thingies Ben was talking about? Michelin Pilot Race Cup or
> > > whatever they're called? Help! I've got "too much choice"
> > > confusion
> >
> > All depends how much grip you want for the money, and how long (or
> > short) you're prepared for them to last.
>
> Don't give a rat's fart for longevity. In any sense
>
> > Danny raced the last 6 races on his bike with road legal Metzeler
> > Racetecs on. He used the same pair to get 2 wins and a 2nd at Brands
> > Indy with New Era, do a full day's trackday instruction and then go
> > to Snetterton for a Derby Phoenix meet and get a 4th, 3rd and a 2nd,
> > before we put the bike in the van and went home cos he'd sold it. I
> > like the Racetecs, they're not too far removed from a slick but they
> > warm up faster and don't go cold as quick.
>
> Sounds spiffy ... what are they like in the wet? The Rennsports
> don't have many grooves, but I was amazed how well they gripped in
> the wet.
Fewer grooves than a Renn, they grip ok when it's mildly damp, but
you're fucked if there's standing water. If you can see spray coming
off the tyres in front...beware,
--
Lozzo |
08-21-2008, 04:39 PM
| | | Re: A "new tyres" thread
In article <6h5gdfFje8f2U1@mid.individual.net>, Lozzo says...
> Bear wrote:
>
> > In article <6h5fsoFj672tU1@mid.individual.net>, Lozzo says...
> > > Bear wrote:
> >
> > > > What about full-on, litrebike sports tyres?
> > > >
> > > > I mean I know you don't have a fast bike anymore, but I also know
> > > > you know a lot of good riders who do, and you know lots about
> > > > this sort of thing ... what should I get? Renns? These 015
> > > > thingies Ben was talking about? Michelin Pilot Race Cup or
> > > > whatever they're called? Help! I've got "too much choice"
> > > > confusion
> > >
> > > All depends how much grip you want for the money, and how long (or
> > > short) you're prepared for them to last.
> >
> > Don't give a rat's fart for longevity. In any sense
> >
> > > Danny raced the last 6 races on his bike with road legal Metzeler
> > > Racetecs on. He used the same pair to get 2 wins and a 2nd at Brands
> > > Indy with New Era, do a full day's trackday instruction and then go
> > > to Snetterton for a Derby Phoenix meet and get a 4th, 3rd and a 2nd,
> > > before we put the bike in the van and went home cos he'd sold it. I
> > > like the Racetecs, they're not too far removed from a slick but they
> > > warm up faster and don't go cold as quick.
> >
> > Sounds spiffy ... what are they like in the wet? The Rennsports
> > don't have many grooves, but I was amazed how well they gripped in
> > the wet.
>
> Fewer grooves than a Renn, they grip ok when it's mildly damp, but
> you're fucked if there's standing water. If you can see spray coming
> off the tyres in front...beware,
Right, that's too hardcore for me then, as it's liable to piss down at
some stage.
What do you know about 015 vs Pilot Whatever vs Renns?
--
Bear
2002 Yamaha R1
Saab Aero Sport |
08-21-2008, 04:51 PM
| | | Re: A "new tyres" thread
Bear wrote:
> In article <6h5gdfFje8f2U1@mid.individual.net>, Lozzo says...
> > Bear wrote:
> >
> > > In article <6h5fsoFj672tU1@mid.individual.net>, Lozzo says...
> > > > Bear wrote:
> > >
> > > > > What about full-on, litrebike sports tyres?
> > > > >
> > > > > I mean I know you don't have a fast bike anymore, but I also
> > > > > know you know a lot of good riders who do, and you know lots
> > > > > about this sort of thing ... what should I get? Renns?
> > > > > These 015 thingies Ben was talking about? Michelin Pilot
> > > > > Race Cup or whatever they're called? Help! I've got "too
> > > > > much choice" confusion
> > > >
> > > > All depends how much grip you want for the money, and how long
> > > > (or short) you're prepared for them to last.
> > >
> > > Don't give a rat's fart for longevity. In any sense
> > >
> > > > Danny raced the last 6 races on his bike with road legal
> > > > Metzeler Racetecs on. He used the same pair to get 2 wins and a
> > > > 2nd at Brands Indy with New Era, do a full day's trackday
> > > > instruction and then go to Snetterton for a Derby Phoenix meet
> > > > and get a 4th, 3rd and a 2nd, before we put the bike in the van
> > > > and went home cos he'd sold it. I like the Racetecs, they're
> > > > not too far removed from a slick but they warm up faster and
> > > > don't go cold as quick.
> > >
> > > Sounds spiffy ... what are they like in the wet? The Rennsports
> > > don't have many grooves, but I was amazed how well they gripped in
> > > the wet.
> >
> > Fewer grooves than a Renn, they grip ok when it's mildly damp, but
> > you're fucked if there's standing water. If you can see spray coming
> > off the tyres in front...beware,
>
> Right, that's too hardcore for me then, as it's liable to piss down
> at some stage.
>
> What do you know about 015 vs Pilot Whatever vs Renns?
In short, nowt.
I know what's good on track, and what's good as a sports touring tyre,
but supersports road tyres aren't my forte. Tbh, all of them without
exceotion are better than the 010s you were used to on your 9R, and
most are better than the road compound Renns you had on the Gixer.
--
Lozzo |
08-21-2008, 04:59 PM
| | | Re: A "new tyres" thread
In article <6h5h8oFjdodgU1@mid.individual.net>, Lozzo says...
> Bear wrote:
> > What do you know about 015 vs Pilot Whatever vs Renns?
>
> In short, nowt.
I've always admired your honesty.
> I know what's good on track, and what's good as a sports touring tyre,
> but supersports road tyres aren't my forte. Tbh, all of them without
> exceotion are better than the 010s you were used to on your 9R, and
> most are better than the road compound Renns you had on the Gixer.
The way the bloke from FWR was talking, Renns are still cutting edge,
but trackday cutting edge, rather than road cutting edge.
If I can drag myself away from work this evening so I can start my
sodding holiday I think I might go talk to the chaps at FWR.
--
Bear
2002 Yamaha R1
Saab Aero Sport
|
08-21-2008, 09:03 PM
| | | Re: A "new tyres" thread
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:39:05 +0100, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
wrote:
>What do you know about 015 vs Pilot Whatever vs Renns?
Can't comment on the latter two, but I did 1400 miles around Scotland
week before last. Half of which was in pissing rain and I never had a
moments hesitation on the 015s on very twist fast A-roads.
And in the dry they're perfect for road use IMO.
Yes, this is plugging what you own.
--
GSX-R1000K8
|
08-21-2008, 09:11 PM
| | | Re: A "new tyres" thread
In article <jeira4lv9h0iglvlcvls1pr4u0lmv2avf6@4ax.com>, Ben says...
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:39:05 +0100, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >What do you know about 015 vs Pilot Whatever vs Renns?
>
> Can't comment on the latter two, but I did 1400 miles around Scotland
> week before last. Half of which was in pissing rain and I never had a
> moments hesitation on the 015s on very twist fast A-roads.
>
> And in the dry they're perfect for road use IMO.
Cool.
> Yes, this is plugging what you own.
Well yes, but then it should be, seeing as I'm after people with
personal experience of said tyres.
--
Bear
2002 Yamaha R1
Saab Aero Sport
|
08-21-2008, 09:20 PM
| | | Re: A "new tyres" thread
CT wrote:
> ogden wrote:
>
> <thread hijack>
>
> The Sprint ST is going in tomorrow to get the "non starting" bit sorted
> out as well as having its 6000 mile service. Additionally, it could do
> with a new rear tyre.
>
> So, do I try and match the front OE 020 with another 020, or even the
> 021, or shall I change both and of so, for what?
>
> I'm usually a "black, round ones" type of bloke but I am going to
> attempt to ride more through the winter this year[1] and so would
> prefer something that will be good in the wet and cold.
>
That reminds me of my Belgian colleague who just bought his first ever
bike (R1200RT) for the commute to work. He's been on a hunt for "winter"
tyres for it so that he doesn't fall off if it's slippy.
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08-23-2008, 12:22 PM
| | | Re: A "new tyres" thread
Bear wrote:
> In article <MPG.23160a12b2f46b619896ac@news.motzarella.org> , ogden
> says...
[ of FWR ]
> > See other post re: Rennsports - not listed on the web site, so give
> > them a call.
>
> I shall do, many thanks.
I should really learn from my own advice - just called them to check
whether they had any Alpha 10s in and they have front but no rear.
Arse. Should've phoned them a few days ago rather than leave it to the
last minute.
Guess that means I'm taking the Gixer out to play instead.
--
ogden
GSXR750 K4
RGV250 VJ22
|
08-27-2008, 12:30 PM
| | | Re: A "new tyres" thread
Lozzo wrote:
> ogden wrote:
>
> >
> > New boots required for both bikes. The Continental Whatevertheyares
> > on the RGV have squared off and the 014s (I think) on the Gixer are
> > starting to look a bit bare so it's time for me to go shopping.
> >
> > What's the current hoop of choice?
> >
> > The RGV could be a little more interesting, as it weighs sod all and
> > has old-skool sizes - 110/70 and 150/60, iirc. Michelin don't seem to
> > do their 2CTs in those sizes.
> >
> > The floor is open...
>
> Dunlop Alpha 10s on the RGV, available in the right sizes too - you'll
> be impressed, I know I was when I tried them at Donington on the RGV
> Danny had.
Alas, getting hold of Alpha 10s, at a reasonable price, seems to be
rather tricky. BT090s seem to be second-choice on the forum so I'll
give those a punt.
--
ogden
GSXR750 K4
RGV250 VJ22
|
08-27-2008, 08:48 PM
| | | Re: A "new tyres" thread
ogden wrote:
> Lozzo wrote:
> > ogden wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > New boots required for both bikes. The Continental
> > > Whatevertheyares on the RGV have squared off and the 014s (I
> > > think) on the Gixer are starting to look a bit bare so it's time
> > > for me to go shopping.
> > >
> > > What's the current hoop of choice?
> > >
> > > The RGV could be a little more interesting, as it weighs sod all
> > > and has old-skool sizes - 110/70 and 150/60, iirc. Michelin don't
> > > seem to do their 2CTs in those sizes.
> > >
> > > The floor is open...
> >
> > Dunlop Alpha 10s on the RGV, available in the right sizes too -
> > you'll be impressed, I know I was when I tried them at Donington on
> > the RGV Danny had.
>
> Alas, getting hold of Alpha 10s, at a reasonable price, seems to be
> rather tricky. BT090s seem to be second-choice on the forum so I'll
> give those a punt.
I put BT090s on TD's NC30, and had them on my KR-1, they are very very
good tyres.
--
Lozzo
SV650S K5, CBR600F-W, SR250 SpazzTrakka
and a shit load more 2-wheeled junk in the garage
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