On Aug 23, 6:13*pm, allan tracy <thunderbird57...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> A major air disaster then suddenly every minor aircraft technical
> difficulty starts making the headlines.
>
> This is very much non-news.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7578428.stm
>
> Remember, the most dangerous part of your flight is the drive to and
> from the airport.

Well, yes--for civilians. Reading aircraft maintenance
logs purporting to be from genuine serving forces may
leave you less confident.

> On a train or aircraft you're statistically about 15 times safer then
> when you're in a car.
>
> Road safety is an oxymoron there's hardly any safety culture on the
> roads compared to the airline or rail industries.
>
> It is no lie and safe to say, that if the rail or aviation industry
> ran our roads you would never see a single transgression of the
> highway code.

But this would mean we would all be paid a
sum of money every time we drove anywhere.

The most fun example I've had myself, first-hand,
recently was when it chucked it down one afternoon
after a fair week or so of unbroken hot weather.

There I was, riding into the supermarket parking
area, and whether it was the water lifting rubber
and oil off the tarmac or the rainbow of oil in water
I'd ridden through on my way in past the filling
station, I took a metal grate wide to find myself
in the path of an oncoming taxi (private hire) car.

Just a dab on the brakes and I was on the floor
with the bike on top of my right foot.

The guy came out at me, with a mind to limit
liabilities, asking what the hell I thought I was
doing--as though one of my hobbies is sliding
under cars in order to get an insurance payout
and it was only his honed, razor-sharp reflexes
that preserved his No Claims bonus.

I managed to get the engine turned off and lever
the back of the bike up enough to free my foot,
at which point I explained that, yes, road surfaces
get like ice-rinks under the weather conditions
we've just had, and this was just one of those
times. I certainly may soon have to start using
the fingers of my right hand to extend the count
of my tally of incidents in 21 years of continuous
licensed entitlement.

So, after having stood and watched me render
the vehicle safe from any explosion risk, whilst
remaining effectively trapped beneath it, and
observed the way I single handedly freed myself
after - after effectively having laid machinery for
legal proceedings in which he could claim not
to know anything at all about bikes - he then
suddenly decides it may be expedient to play
the Good Samaritan and "help me up" with the
bike (it's only a half-litre; that's the easy bit).

So, on the one hand, whilst your original assertion
is cloud-cuckoo land silly in terms of the practicability
of extending it out to all drivers - who would run
the Road Traffic Control Rooms? for example -
I can certainly see that for people who spend
their working lives out in traffic, taxi drivers are
a remarkably inconsistent bunch for understanding
the realities of road traffic and the perspectives
of other road users.

> For the most part, road safety isn't even enforced.

I don't understand this sentence.

G DAEB
COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON
--

FCS <sipston_777@my-deja.com> wrote:

> So, after having stood and watched me render
> the vehicle safe from any explosion risk, whilst
> remaining effectively trapped beneath it, and
> observed the way I single handedly freed myself
> after - after effectively having laid machinery for
> legal proceedings

I bet you're a fucking wow at parties.

>COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON

First time I've ever seen this on a Usenet posting. Oh dear, I've
breached it already.

Sheesh.

--
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"What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time
and hassle for no tangible benefit."

On Aug 24, 8:47*am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:
> FCS <sipston_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > So, after having stood and watched me render
> > the vehicle safe from any explosion risk, whilst
> > remaining effectively trapped beneath it, and
> > observed the way I single handedly freed myself
> > after - after effectively having laid machinery for
> > legal proceedings
>
> I bet you're a fucking wow at parties.
>
> >COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON
>
> First time I've ever seen this on a Usenet posting. Oh dear, I've
> breached it already.
>
> Sheesh.

So which part of your conduct here counts as "gentlemanly"?

Otherwise your quotation is well within the bounds of
fair dealing or fair usage, and is similarly in no wise
any breach because you retained the attribution and
didn't try to pass off my stuff as your own.

But thanks for confirming that age and maturity are
not synonymous.

> --
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> chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
> "What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time
> and hassle for no tangible benefit."

G DAEB
COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON
--

In article <1208904a-2ac5-49d2-9ae0-
89e239e9512b@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, FCS says...

> Well, yes--for civilians. Reading aircraft maintenance
> logs purporting to be from genuine serving forces may
> leave you less confident.
>
What makes me laugh is when you hear them banging on about Nimrod. I
remember in the 80's it having some monumental problems like doors not
fitting yet they still flew them.

--
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams

Conor wrote:
> In article <1208904a-2ac5-49d2-9ae0-
> 89e239e9512b@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, FCS says...
>
>> Well, yes--for civilians. Reading aircraft maintenance
>> logs purporting to be from genuine serving forces may
>> leave you less confident.
>>
> What makes me laugh is when you hear them banging on about Nimrod. I
> remember in the 80's it having some monumental problems like doors not
> fitting yet they still flew them.

Christ, in my day, one wing, half an engine and a pissed pilot was
enough to cross the pond.

Tosspot wrote:
> Conor wrote:
>> In article <1208904a-2ac5-49d2-9ae0-
>> 89e239e9512b@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, FCS says...
>>
>>> Well, yes--for civilians. Reading aircraft maintenance
>>> logs purporting to be from genuine serving forces may
>>> leave you less confident.
>>>
>> What makes me laugh is when you hear them banging on about Nimrod. I
>> remember in the 80's it having some monumental problems like doors
>> not fitting yet they still flew them.
>
> Christ, in my day, one wing, half an engine and a pissed pilot was
> enough to cross the pond.

It still is, but don't let the meeeja hear you say that.

On Aug 24, 12:27 9m, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:

Otherwise your quotation is well within the bounds of fair dealing or
fair usage, and is similarly in no wise any breach because you retained
the attribution and didn't try to pass off my stuff as your own.

Now sue me.

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"What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time
and hassle for no tangible benefit."

"FCS" <sipston_777@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1208904a-2ac5-49d2-9ae0-89e239e9512b@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> I managed to get the engine turned off and lever
> the back of the bike up enough to free my foot,
> at which point I explained that, yes, road surfaces
> get like ice-rinks under the weather conditions
> we've just had, and this was just one of those
> times.

How far did he skid after he lost control? I assume this happend if the road
xonditions were as slippy as you say, or is it you were riding like a cock.

Depresion wrote:
> "FCS" <sipston_777@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:1208904a-2ac5-49d2-9ae0-89e239e9512b@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> I managed to get the engine turned off and lever
>> the back of the bike up enough to free my foot,
>> at which point I explained that, yes, road surfaces
>> get like ice-rinks under the weather conditions
>> we've just had, and this was just one of those
>> times.
>
> How far did he skid after he lost control? I assume this happend if the
> road
> xonditions were as slippy as you say, or is it you were riding like a
> cock.

You are out of control if you skid YTC

--


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Nige wrote:

> Depresion wrote:
> >"FCS" <sipston_777@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > news:1208904a-2ac5-49d2-9ae0-89e239e9512b@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.co
> > m...
> > > I managed to get the engine turned off and lever
> > > the back of the bike up enough to free my foot,
> > > at which point I explained that, yes, road surfaces
> > > get like ice-rinks under the weather conditions
> > > we've just had, and this was just one of those
> > > times.
> >
> > How far did he skid after he lost control? I assume this happend if
> > the road xonditions were as slippy as you say, or is it you were
> > riding like a cock.
>
> You are out of control if you skid YTC

Are you bollocks.

--
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Krusty wrote:
> Nige wrote:
>
>> Depresion wrote:
>>> "FCS" <sipston_777@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1208904a-2ac5-49d2-9ae0-89e239e9512b@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.co
>>> m...
>>>> I managed to get the engine turned off and lever
>>>> the back of the bike up enough to free my foot,
>>>> at which point I explained that, yes, road surfaces
>>>> get like ice-rinks under the weather conditions
>>>> we've just had, and this was just one of those
>>>> times.
>>> How far did he skid after he lost control? I assume this happend if
>>> the road xonditions were as slippy as you say, or is it you were
>>> riding like a cock.
>> You are out of control if you skid YTC
>
> Are you bollocks.
>

Are you saying you meant to skid?

--
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Tony Dragon wrote:

> Krusty wrote:
> > Nige wrote:
> >
> > > Depresion wrote:
> >>>"FCS" <sipston_777@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1208904a-2ac5-49d2-9ae0-89e239e9512b@a1g2000hsb.googlegroup
> > > > s.co m...
> > > > > I managed to get the engine turned off and lever
> > > > > the back of the bike up enough to free my foot,
> > > > > at which point I explained that, yes, road surfaces
> > > > > get like ice-rinks under the weather conditions
> > > > > we've just had, and this was just one of those
> > > > > times.
> > > > How far did he skid after he lost control? I assume this
> > > > happend if the road xonditions were as slippy as you say, or
> > > > is it you were riding like a cock.
> > > You are out of control if you skid YTC
> >
> > Are you bollocks.
> >
>
> Are you saying you meant to skid?

'Meant' implies you think I've posted before in this thread; I haven't.
I do frequently skid on purpose though, without losing control.

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"FCS" <sipston_777@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:904be975-ece8-46ca-837c-e725bf092090@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 24, 8:47 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:
> FCS <sipston_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > So, after having stood and watched me render
> > the vehicle safe from any explosion risk, whilst
> > remaining effectively trapped beneath it, and
> > observed the way I single handedly freed myself
> > after - after effectively having laid machinery for
> > legal proceedings
>
> I bet you're a fucking wow at parties.
>
> >COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON
>
> First time I've ever seen this on a Usenet posting. Oh dear, I've
> breached it already.
>
> Sheesh.

>So which part of your conduct here counts as "gentlemanly"?

>Otherwise your quotation is well within the bounds of
>fair dealing or fair usage, and is similarly in no wise
>any breach because you retained the attribution and
>didn't try to pass off my stuff as your own.

<choke>

>But thanks for confirming that age and maturity are
>not synonymous.

But thanks for confirming that age and maturity are
no guarantee of intelligence.

And thank you for writing such "readable" shite. [1]


[1] Similar in no wise?. Shirley that should be similar in no WAY?


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"The Older Gentleman" <totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1im6fv3.16mw4holok2kgN%totallydeadmailbox@yah oo.co.uk...
> On Aug 24, 12:27 9m, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> Gentleman) wrote:
>
> Otherwise your quotation is well within the bounds of fair dealing or
> fair usage, and is similarly in no wise any breach because you retained
> the attribution and didn't try to pass off my stuff as your own.
>
> Now sue me.

Ah, so it's not just my newsreader that fucks up when I respond to his
posts.


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"Tosspot" <Frank.Leake@esa.int> wrote in message
news:g8r89g$1na$00$1@news.t-online.com...
> Conor wrote:
>> In article <1208904a-2ac5-49d2-9ae0-
>> 89e239e9512b@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, FCS says...
>>
>>> Well, yes--for civilians. Reading aircraft maintenance
>>> logs purporting to be from genuine serving forces may
>>> leave you less confident.
>>>
>> What makes me laugh is when you hear them banging on about Nimrod. I
>> remember in the 80's it having some monumental problems like doors not
>> fitting yet they still flew them.
>
> Christ, in my day, one wing, half an engine and a pissed pilot was enough
> to cross the pond.

I used to dream of having one wing.

--
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:52:36 +0100, Beav <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com>
wrote in <Jgvsk.46587$6p1.30570@newsfe19.ams2>:

> "FCS" <sipston_777@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:904be975-ece8-46ca-837c-e725bf092090@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...

>> is similarly in no wise

> [1] Similar in no wise?. Shirley that should be similar in no WAY?

It's OK, just archaic.

wise(3) (archaic)
n: way, manner, now chiefly in the phrases _in any wise_ in any way,
_in no wise_ in no way, and _on this wise_ in this way.
suffix: denoting direction or manner, as in lengthwise, clockwise,
likewise, otherwise; meaning 'as regards', as in money-wise,
business-wise (inf).
[OE w\-ise; Ger Weise; related to wise(1) and wit(2); doublet of guise]
--Chambers
--
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Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
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KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:26:04 +0000 (UTC), "Dr Ivan D. Reid"
<Ivan.Reid@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:

>>> is similarly in no wise
>
>> [1] Similar in no wise?. Shirley that should be similar in no WAY?
>
> It's OK, just archaic.

As suits you :-)
--
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Two standard issue crutches
To email me, neal at my domain should work.

"Dr Ivan D. Reid" <Ivan.Reid@brunel.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:slrngb525s.1j1.Ivan.Reid@loki.brunel.ac.uk...
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:52:36 +0100, Beav <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com>
> wrote in <Jgvsk.46587$6p1.30570@newsfe19.ams2>:
>
>> "FCS" <sipston_777@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>> news:904be975-ece8-46ca-837c-e725bf092090@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
>>> is similarly in no wise
>
>> [1] Similar in no wise?. Shirley that should be similar in no WAY?
>
> It's OK, just archaic.

And bollocks too, even if it's correct bollocks.
>
> wise(3) (archaic)
> n: way, manner, now chiefly in the phrases _in any wise_ in any way,
> _in no wise_ in no way, and _on this wise_ in this way.
> suffix: denoting direction or manner, as in lengthwise, clockwise,
> likewise, otherwise; meaning 'as regards', as in money-wise,
> business-wise (inf).
> [OE w\-ise; Ger Weise; related to wise(1) and wit(2); doublet of guise]
> --Chambers

In't Wiki wonderful?


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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:37:17 +0100, Beav <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com>
wrote in <RQDsk.87912$6s4.58717@newsfe14.ams2>:

> "Dr Ivan D. Reid" <Ivan.Reid@brunel.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:slrngb525s.1j1.Ivan.Reid@loki.brunel.ac.uk...

>> wise(3) (archaic)
>> n: way, manner, now chiefly in the phrases _in any wise_ in any way,
>> _in no wise_ in no way, and _on this wise_ in this way.
>> suffix: denoting direction or manner, as in lengthwise, clockwise,
>> likewise, otherwise; meaning 'as regards', as in money-wise,
>> business-wise (inf).
>> [OE w\-ise; Ger Weise; related to wise(1) and wit(2); doublet of guise]
>> --Chambers

> In't Wiki wonderful?

Wiki? Why do you think I attributed Chambers?

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"Dr Ivan D. Reid" <Ivan.Reid@brunel.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:slrngb8l2p.3vm.Ivan.Reid@loki.brunel.ac.uk...
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:37:17 +0100, Beav <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com>
> wrote in <RQDsk.87912$6s4.58717@newsfe14.ams2>:
>
>> "Dr Ivan D. Reid" <Ivan.Reid@brunel.ac.uk> wrote in message
>> news:slrngb525s.1j1.Ivan.Reid@loki.brunel.ac.uk...
>
>>> wise(3) (archaic)
>>> n: way, manner, now chiefly in the phrases _in any wise_ in any way,
>>> _in no wise_ in no way, and _on this wise_ in this way.
>>> suffix: denoting direction or manner, as in lengthwise, clockwise,
>>> likewise, otherwise; meaning 'as regards', as in money-wise,
>>> business-wise (inf).
>>> [OE w\-ise; Ger Weise; related to wise(1) and wit(2); doublet of
>>> guise]
>>> --Chambers
>
>> In't Wiki wonderful?
>
> Wiki? Why do you think I attributed Chambers?

Wha..wha.. what?? You think I read ALL of that description?


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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:47:48 +0100, totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk
(The Older Gentleman) wrote:

>FCS <sipston_777@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>> So, after having stood and watched me render
>> the vehicle safe from any explosion risk, whilst
>> remaining effectively trapped beneath it, and
>> observed the way I single handedly freed myself
>> after - after effectively having laid machinery for
>> legal proceedings
>
>I bet you're a fucking wow at parties.
>
>>COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON
>
>First time I've ever seen this on a Usenet posting. Oh dear, I've
>breached it already.
>
Do you know how much shit that could get you in? There'll be death
threats before the end of the year.

"Andy Bonwick" <nospam@bonwick.me.uk> wrote in message
news:0dbib4h8jl8kjov15cotjevspbm9i3e0ln@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:47:48 +0100, totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk
> (The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>
>>FCS <sipston_777@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So, after having stood and watched me render
>>> the vehicle safe from any explosion risk, whilst
>>> remaining effectively trapped beneath it, and
>>> observed the way I single handedly freed myself
>>> after - after effectively having laid machinery for
>>> legal proceedings
>>
>>I bet you're a fucking wow at parties.
>>
>>>COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON
>>
>>First time I've ever seen this on a Usenet posting. Oh dear, I've
>>breached it already.
>>
> Do you know how much shit that could get you in? There'll be death
> threats before the end of the year.

Not to mention calls from the Netiquette Nazi's.


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>

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:26:54 +0100, "Beav"
<beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:

>Not to mention calls from the Netiquette Nazi's.

Phear the Apostrophe Police.

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Pip wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:26:54 +0100, "Beav"
> <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>
> >Not to mention calls from the Netiquette Nazi's.
>
> Phear the Apostrophe Police.

Right on queue.

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ogden wrote:
> Pip wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:26:54 +0100, "Beav"
>> <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Not to mention calls from the Netiquette Nazi's.
>>
>> Phear the Apostrophe Police.
>
> Right on queue.

Where's the front of the queue and what are the people queuing for?

Brimstone wrote:
> ogden wrote:
> > Pip wrote:
> >> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:26:54 +0100, "Beav"
> >> <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Not to mention calls from the Netiquette Nazi's.
> >>
> >> Phear the Apostrophe Police.
> >
> > Right on queue.
>
> Where's the front of the queue and what are the people queuing for?

That's one...

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"Pip" <gingerblokeNOSPAM@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:26:54 +0100, "Beav"
> <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>
>>Not to mention calls from the Netiquette Nazi's.
>
> Phear the Apostrophe Police.

Now way, not while I've got a box full of feral one's'.'

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"ogden" <ogden@pre.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.2323fbfba80426f59896a0@reader.motzarella. org...
> Pip wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:26:54 +0100, "Beav"
>> <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Not to mention calls from the Netiquette Nazi's.
>>
>> Phear the Apostrophe Police.
>
> Right on queue.

"Cheque"


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"Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng03@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> ogden wrote:
>> Pip wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:26:54 +0100, "Beav"
>>> <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not to mention calls from the Netiquette Nazi's.
>>>
>>> Phear the Apostrophe Police.
>>
>> Right on queue.
>
> Where's the front of the queue and what are the people queuing for?

Not a fisherman are you?


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Beav wrote:
> "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng03@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:jsmdnf6ZssuI3CfVnZ2dnUVZ8q2dnZ2d@bt.com...
>> ogden wrote:
>>> Pip wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:26:54 +0100, "Beav"
>>>> <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not to mention calls from the Netiquette Nazi's.
>>>>
>>>> Phear the Apostrophe Police.
>>>
>>> Right on queue.
>>
>> Where's the front of the queue and what are the people queuing for?
>
> Not a fisherman are you?

You are not going to hook me with one.