Ace <b.rogers@ifrance.com> wrote:

> >
> >So the general consensus is to say fuck all to any cunt then?
> >Cool.
>
> Finally he gets the message.

:-)

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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:18:23 +0100, frag <news4@ukrm.co.uk> wrote:

>Ace <b.rogers@ifrance.com> wrote in uk.rec.motorcycles ..
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:16:35 +0100, frag <news4@ukrm.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >Drunk driving is in the "Crimes not involving moral turpitude" list, so
>> >you'll be fine. (but double check)
>>
>> NO. Do NOT double check. Once you ask the Embassy, you're fucked.
>
>Well duh, I didn't mean ask at the bloody Embassy, I mean ask a someone
>unofficially who knows.

What, like looking at the links in wikipedia, already posted?

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Ace wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:06:44 -0700 (PDT), DoetNietComputeren
> <Doesnotcompute@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > In which case, the answer is simple. Having been arrested
> > (regardless of charge or actual convictions) you are no longer
> > entitled to enter the US under the visa waiver program. Ergo, you
> > must apply for a visa.
>
> Absolute garbage. As long as you can answer No to all of the questions
> of the Visa Waiver card, specifically the one about having been
> convicted of any crimes of moral turptitude. And while it's not
> altogether clear what they may be, the important word is convicted,
> not arrested.
>

There's been a change recently, in that your UK visa waiver is invalid
if you've ever been arrested for a Terror(ism) related offence.

Ace <b.rogers@ifrance.com> wrote in uk.rec.motorcycles ..
>
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:18:23 +0100, frag <news4@ukrm.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Ace <b.rogers@ifrance.com> wrote in uk.rec.motorcycles ..
> >>
> >> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:16:35 +0100, frag <news4@ukrm.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Drunk driving is in the "Crimes not involving moral turpitude" list, so
> >> >you'll be fine. (but double check)
> >>
> >> NO. Do NOT double check. Once you ask the Embassy, you're fucked.
> >
> >Well duh, I didn't mean ask at the bloody Embassy, I mean ask a someone
> >unofficially who knows.
>
> What, like looking at the links in wikipedia, already posted?

Weeeelll... I was thinking sort of someone who you know knows the answer
for definite, rather than iffily substantiated Wiki "facts" or "a friend of
a friend" kind of thing.

As many steps back from asking at the Embassy whilst still being confident
they're not talking out of their arse.

Does that make any sense? No? Good!


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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Timo Geusch"
<tnewsSPAMMENOT@unixconsult.co.uk> saying something like:

>The question on the visa waiver specifically asks about offence/crimes
>of moral turpitude (listed here:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_turpitude),

I tried some of that moral turpitude once - crap for cleaning brushes.
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"It's a moron working with power tools.
How much more suspenseful can you get?"
- House

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:40:32 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
<grimly4REMOVE@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:

>We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>drugs began to take hold. I remember "Timo Geusch"
><tnewsSPAMMENOT@unixconsult.co.uk> saying something like:
>
>>The question on the visa waiver specifically asks about offence/crimes
>>of moral turpitude (listed here:
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_turpitude),
>
>I tried some of that moral turpitude once - crap for cleaning brushes.

That was prolly turpitude substitute then - not nearly as good as the
real stuff.

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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:31:53 +0100, Pip
<gingerblokeNOSPAM@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:40:32 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
><grimly4REMOVE@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:

>>I tried some of that moral turpitude once - crap for cleaning brushes.
>
>That was prolly turpitude substitute then - not nearly as good as the
>real stuff.

That'd be the immoral turpitude then, I guess.

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ogden wrote:

> Ace wrote:
> > On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:25:08 +0100, ogden <ogden@pre.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Ace wrote:
> > >> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:58:33 +0100, "Timo Geusch"
> > >> <tnewsSPAMMENOT@unixconsult.co.uk> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >The question on the visa waiver specifically asks about
> > offence/crimes >> >of moral turpitude (listed here:
> > >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_turpitude),
> > >>
> > >> Ahh, so I was wrong about arrested vs. convicted.
> > >>
> > >> But interesting stuff, nonetheless. And I think I'm safe.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately my GBH arrest means I'm probably not.
> >
> > Would it fall into the "Assault with intent to kill, commit rape,
> > commit robbery or commit serious bodily harm" or the "Assault with a
> > dangerous or deadly weapon " category ?
>
> I had D207s fitted. They're dangerous or deadly, right?

That would exclude you under the 'attempted suicide' clause anyway.

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Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> writes:

> Ace <b.rogers@ifrance.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying:
>
>>>The question on the visa waiver specifically asks about offence/crimes
>>>of moral turpitude (listed here:
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_turpitude),
>
>>>IANAIL, but I'd think the OP should be OK.
>
>> Surely there's no doubt? Drunk driving is specifically excluded from the
>> Moral Turptitude list.
>
> Drink-driving is regarded as a fairly minor offence in the US, of course.

Yeah, right. I assume you're being cynical here.

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frag <news4@ukrm.co.uk> writes:

> Ace <b.rogers@ifrance.com> wrote in uk.rec.motorcycles ..
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:18:23 +0100, frag <news4@ukrm.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >Ace <b.rogers@ifrance.com> wrote in uk.rec.motorcycles ..
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:16:35 +0100, frag <news4@ukrm.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Drunk driving is in the "Crimes not involving moral turpitude" list, so
>> >> >you'll be fine. (but double check)
>> >>
>> >> NO. Do NOT double check. Once you ask the Embassy, you're fucked.
>> >
>> >Well duh, I didn't mean ask at the bloody Embassy, I mean ask a someone
>> >unofficially who knows.
>>
>> What, like looking at the links in wikipedia, already posted?
>
> Weeeelll... I was thinking sort of someone who you know knows the answer
> for definite, rather than iffily substantiated Wiki "facts" or "a friend of
> a friend" kind of thing.

Like a proper immigration lawyer wot knows his or her stuff.

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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:44:28 +0100, Timo Geusch
<tnewsSPAMMENOT@unixconsult.co.uk> wrote:

>frag <news4@ukrm.co.uk> writes:
>
>> Ace <b.rogers@ifrance.com> wrote in uk.rec.motorcycles ..
>>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:18:23 +0100, frag <news4@ukrm.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Ace <b.rogers@ifrance.com> wrote in uk.rec.motorcycles ..
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:16:35 +0100, frag <news4@ukrm.co.uk> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Drunk driving is in the "Crimes not involving moral turpitude" list, so
>>> >> >you'll be fine. (but double check)
>>> >>
>>> >> NO. Do NOT double check. Once you ask the Embassy, you're fucked.
>>> >
>>> >Well duh, I didn't mean ask at the bloody Embassy, I mean ask a someone
>>> >unofficially who knows.
>>>
>>> What, like looking at the links in wikipedia, already posted?
>>
>> Weeeelll... I was thinking sort of someone who you know knows the answer
>> for definite, rather than iffily substantiated Wiki "facts" or "a friend of
>> a friend" kind of thing.
>
>Like a proper immigration lawyer wot knows his or her stuff.

You don't think that might be just a little bit OTT, then?

FFS.

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Ace <b.rogers@ifrance.com> writes:

> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:44:28 +0100, Timo Geusch
> <tnewsSPAMMENOT@unixconsult.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>frag <news4@ukrm.co.uk> writes:
>>
>>> Ace <b.rogers@ifrance.com> wrote in uk.rec.motorcycles ..
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:18:23 +0100, frag <news4@ukrm.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Ace <b.rogers@ifrance.com> wrote in uk.rec.motorcycles ..
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:16:35 +0100, frag <news4@ukrm.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >Drunk driving is in the "Crimes not involving moral turpitude" list, so
>>>> >> >you'll be fine. (but double check)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> NO. Do NOT double check. Once you ask the Embassy, you're fucked.
>>>> >
>>>> >Well duh, I didn't mean ask at the bloody Embassy, I mean ask a someone
>>>> >unofficially who knows.
>>>>
>>>> What, like looking at the links in wikipedia, already posted?
>>>
>>> Weeeelll... I was thinking sort of someone who you know knows the answer
>>> for definite, rather than iffily substantiated Wiki "facts" or "a friend of
>>> a friend" kind of thing.
>>
>>Like a proper immigration lawyer wot knows his or her stuff.
>
> You don't think that might be just a little bit OTT, then?
>
> FFS.

Depends on how worried the OP is, doesn't it? I wouldn't, but I have
done a little research in that area for obvious reasons.
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Timo Geusch wrote:

> Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Drink-driving is regarded as a fairly minor offence in the US, of
> > course.
>
> Yeah, right. I assume you're being cynical here.

I certainly remember back in the early/mid 90s that if you got stopped
you might just be asked to do the "walk in a straight line" and "touch
your nose with a finger" tests and if you pased those you could be on
your way with a warning.

--
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Timo Geusch <tnewsSPAMMENOT@unixconsult.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

>>> Surely there's no doubt? Drunk driving is specifically excluded from
>>> the Moral Turptitude list.

>> Drink-driving is regarded as a fairly minor offence in the US, of
>> course.

> Yeah, right. I assume you're being cynical here.

Compared to the UK? Not at all.

Bans are very, very short stateside for drink-driving, and repeat
offences far more common. Per capita, more people die on US roads as a
result of drink-driving than die on UK roads in total.

>jon@no.no.no (jok) Aug 27, 2008 at 11:09 AM
>>CT <me@christrollen.co.uk> wrote:


>
>> Of course he will. I don't know how far back they would want to check
>> anyway but I've been to the US on the VWP on many occasions (the last
>> time two weeks ago) with a DR10 on my licence, albeit from 20 years
ago
>> now, with nary a glimpse of an orange suit.


>Thanks for your replies. I have been to the US since my DR10, but it was
>in 2000, so before things got a little bit more difficult...

Didn't you earn from your first offence?

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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com>
saying something like:

>Per capita, more people die on US roads as a
>result of drink-driving than die on UK roads in total.

They want to find that cunt and lock him up, then.
--
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GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
How much more suspenseful can you get?"
- House

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "lushhead" <lushhead@hotmail.co.uk>
saying something like:

>>Thanks for your replies. I have been to the US since my DR10, but it was
>>in 2000, so before things got a little bit more difficult...
>
>Didn't you earn from your first offence?

Maybe he gave courses in it.
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GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
How much more suspenseful can you get?"
- House

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:06:44 -0700, DoetNietComputeren wrote:

> In which case, the answer is simple. Having been arrested (regardless of
> charge or actual convictions) you are no longer entitled to enter the US
> under the visa waiver program. Ergo, you must apply for a visa.

Is this a wind-up? I got arrested for DD back in the 80s and have since
been to the US loads of times. Or is it something new?

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On 28 Aug 2008 14:56:05 GMT, Paul Carmichael
<paul@obscuredomainname.org> wrote:

>On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:06:44 -0700, DoetNietComputeren wrote:
>
>> In which case, the answer is simple. Having been arrested (regardless of
>> charge or actual convictions) you are no longer entitled to enter the US
>> under the visa waiver program. Ergo, you must apply for a visa.
>
>Is this a wind-up?

Could be. Read the rest of the thread to confirm that it's certainly
not true.

>I got arrested for DD back in the 80s and have since
>been to the US loads of times. Or is it something new?

Naah, it's fine.
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:06:59 +0200, Ace wrote:

> On 28 Aug 2008 14:56:05 GMT, Paul Carmichael
> <paul@obscuredomainname.org> wrote:

>>Is this a wind-up?
>
> Could be. Read the rest of the thread to confirm that it's certainly not
> true.

Yup. I did my usual trick of posting and then reading.

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Adrian wrote:

> Timo Geusch <tnewsSPAMMENOT@unixconsult.co.uk> gurgled happily,
> sounding much like they were saying:
>
> >>> Surely there's no doubt? Drunk driving is specifically excluded
> from >>> the Moral Turptitude list.
>
> >> Drink-driving is regarded as a fairly minor offence in the US, of
> >> course.
>
> > Yeah, right. I assume you're being cynical here.
>
> Compared to the UK? Not at all.

Actually, you're partially wrong I'd say.

> Bans are very, very short stateside for drink-driving, and repeat
> offences far more common.

Bans, yes. But the offence never drops off your record like it does in
the UK and a conviction for DUI shows up in your background check
forever[1]. Which AFAIK disqualifies you from jobs where you have to
drive people around, or so I'm told.

[1] DAMHIKIJK, OK?


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jok wrote:

> Ace <b.rogers@ifrance.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>> >So the general consensus is to say fuck all to any cunt then?
>> >Cool.
>>
>> Finally he gets the message.
>
> :-)
>

That would be OK if they didn't read UKRM.
They know everything now. Its too late.
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